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Originally Posted by hicktown

Isnt thay stuff really bad for you??

Based on the extensive research I did before ever taking it back in 2013, it's dangerous if misused/abused, but isn't "bad for you." I get regular blood work done to check lipids and vitals, etc., and saw nothing out of the ordinary while on or after taking for 6 months near continuous.

Again, I highly recommend anything else if you don't have to use it. Just turns out that this is literally the only thing that allows my body to lose weight save for a few pounds of water/glycogen shifting up and down on a day-to-day basis.

TweetDay 9

Feb 23

Weight: 259.6 lbs.

PM dose ~265mg DNP

TweetDay 10

Feb 24

Weight: 259.2 lbs.


Hit heavy chest session last night and it was the first time in a long time that I had a down day. For the past 2 heavy sessions, my bench was something like:

315x6 (easy -- felt like 225)
345x5-6 (first few pretty easy and maybe a spot on last rep)
355x4-5 (definitely difficult; 3 reps struggling by myself and help on 1 or 2)

Last night it was:

315x6 (not easy)
335x5 (spot on last rep and also a struggle)
325x5 (same as 335)

My buddy who was spotting me said the bar was bent and that was the problem (said that before the final set, btw). He asked if it was the same bar on the bench as when I got there and that's when he confirmed it. So he kept saying that was the cause; I thought 315 didn't feel easy and feared it may be a slight loss of strength. I'd love for him to be right, but I don't count on it.

I managed to keep the rest of my lifts on par with where they were. No increases, but held steady, so that's good.

Tonight will be heavy back session and as long as I've got a belt to use I'll be doing DL's. I really hope there is, but if there's not, I'm not risking injury.

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Originally Posted by guns01

that's some freaking awesome progress man. a few tips on dnp. if you are going to come off for a little while give this a go. start it off at peak dose, say for example 400. run that for 3-5 days. then back down to 300 for 3-5 days. then drop it to 200 for the remainder. i learned this from a dude that gets into crazy nasty shape in a very very short period of time with crap genetics. something else he told me he tries to avoid is sugar of any kind. he says that sugar makes it almost unbearable heat wise. he told me that he sticks to sweet potatoes, red potatoes and various rice during his runs. oh and the idea behind the front load is that it builds up and peaks out so you can go with a maintaince dose and get the same effect while keeping the sides to a minimal

The progress thus far has been much more and much quicker than I was anticipating. This isn't a quick or short-term cut for me. This is a "for the rest of my life" thing, now. So the sooner the better, sure. But not at the risk of curbing the long-term picture. I'll pull my old log from 2013 sometime and find my notes to see how high I ran it, but I got up to ~400-450mg/day for a bit and that was the highest I went. But to be honest, even at 200mg back then, the sides were terrible compared to now at the same dose. I'm still getting the fat loss, but not drenched 24/7 (which is why the progress is so quick -- because I was only planning on 3x/week dosing to keep sides away and allow me a long-term solution for fat loss).

I try to avoid sugar in general and I've actually been logging my food in fitday again so I can make sure I keep my macros where they need to be and my protein is high enough.

Capping/mixing it with ALCAR is amazing. It could just be that my body is used to it from before, but I'm guessing it's the ALCAR. The diminished sides have made this a way I can actually live a normal life in terms of my progress. Previously, my decision was if I wanted to lose weight, I had to be miserable, sweat all the time and obviously not have the social life or anything else I wanted. This changes things. This allows me to cut like a normal person would and still have my life.

There's a part of me that wants to be single digit bf% in 2 months, sure. But the more realistic part of me wants to hold steady at this moderate dosing and even if I lose 5 pounds a month, that would still be 60 in a year. And that's fine by me. I don't NEED that quick transformation. I just want to be able to lower the dose very low or dose maybe 2-3 days/week once I reach the bf% I want to be at so I can actually live like a normal bodybuilder. And not have to say, "welp, too bad -- guess I'll get fat again; whether it's over the course of 2 months or 2 years." Because that's what happens without DNP. I can maintain pretty well if I'm SUPER cautious of my diet; but I can't lose. Not at all.

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For those who know me or have been around for a while, you may know of my health/medical history. There are some very lengthy threads on it (the most detailed are probably over on AM; I go by the same s/n on every board), but this is the short version. I learned that I starved myself through a chunk of my high school years through college after the fact. Didn't realize it at the time, but I was always kind of chubby, so I always wanted to lose weight. My senior year of HS, I was running either 7 or 9 miles every night (depending on the day) in addition to my weight training and whatever games/practice/training I had for baseball.

Fast forward a few years and obviously my metabolism was clearly screwed up. I held between 205 and 225 most of college and grad school (not at all fat, but that stupid layer of flub over my abs). In 2010, I cut down to 208 and was in great shape. And then, over the course of a year, I went up to nearly 300 pounds. I kept lifting, so I was gaining some muscle at least, but it was predominantly fat. I even did the hCG diet during that stretch, knowing fully how unhealthy it was. 2 weeks into 500 kcal/day and I PR'd on deadlifts clearing over 500 pounds for reps. Oh, and I was still gaining weight.

Between 2010 and 2014, I went to about a dozen different doctors including specialists in endocrinology at 2 different top tier D1 university hospitals. No one could figure anything out. I have a small tumor (microadenoma/prolactinoma) on my pituitary that may be part of the problem, but it's not enough to operate on and caber seems to be working well enough on keeping the size down and prolactin down, too. I never ran a cycle until the Fall of 2010 after all this happened and I thought maybe that would help me cut weight (I was desperate). It didn't help. Neither did clen. Neither did ECA (which worked amazingly well a couple years prior). Diet and training were on point and had been. I tried ketogenic diets, eliminating gluten -- you name it.

Finally at my peak of hitting 300 pounds, I broke down and one Sunday morning at church I just went down to the front steps during worship and prayed. I cried my eyes out. It was only a week or two after that that I was able to get my hands on some DNP. A friend of mine who is in med school mentioned it in passing a while before. He said "you know, I bet DNP would work really well for you. But don't whatsoever take that as advice to go use it." Well, I was tired of getting fatter and fatter and more and more depressed, so I started researching. Just like anything else, I don't just toss things into my body without understanding how they do what they do.

DNP can be really scary. It doesn't operate on a feedback loop like virtually everything else (e.g. if you take too much clen, your body can adjust for it and keep you alive). If you take too much DNP, you die. It doesn't matter if you go to the hospital; all they can do is make you comfortable while you prepare to die. So yeah, it's serious and kind of scary. But, like most things, if you're not an idiot, it can be used safely and effectively. I got my own powder and capped it myself (no way I'm trusting someone else to be right when it comes to something like this). I had the scale, caps, everything. I started off with only 50mg/day and stayed there for a while while I assessed sides. I slowly climbed up by 25mg and no more. I eventually got to the standard 200mg dosing and even played around with 250mg for the most of the time and even did a few days at 400mg. The sides were AWFUL. I can't even stress that enough. The sweating, the inability to sleep, waking up in a POOL of sweat in the bed; rashes, dry mouth, headaches, muscle flatness, appetite crushed, etc.

But it worked.

It was the one thing that actually worked.

I went from 300 pounds down to 260 over the course of about 2 months. And from there I got down to 240 over the next 3 months -- before my wedding. I still had to wear a pretty big suit coat because of my shoulders and back, but I didn't look like a complete slug. I'm able to look back at those pictures and think fondly on that day, which is all I could ask for.

From there, I got down to about 233 at my lightest since all of this. I ran 2 cycles during that time to help hold onto muscle while losing all that weight. And since then I climbed back up to around 245 most of the time. I wasn't as lean as I wanted, but I was active and happy (and was sick of the miserable DNP sides). I ran one bulk cycle at the start of this Fall and went up to 260; and over the next few months I stayed right around there and got up to 268. It was higher than I wanted and I was ready to get back down.

This time I'm going for gold. I'm going for the long haul. This isn't a quick fix because I'm enormous. I don't have a wedding to prepare for. I'm not where I want to be, but I'm very happy, so fast isn't the goal. Slow and steady to win this race.

I outsourced my DNP to a friend of mine and he used ALCAR as a filler (2:1 ratio DNP:ALCAR). I started off slow and my plan was to dose 3 days a week. Well, what I've realized is that with this filler, the sides are SIGNIFICANTLY less; almost non-existent compared to what I previously experienced. So, I've been dosing nightly because of this and have already started losing weight much more rapidly than was the plan. However, my strength continues to increase, so as long as that doesn't fall off, I know I'm good.

My plan isn't in stone and there's definitely some flexibility in it, but so far the only difference I've made in anything is adding in the DNP. No dietary adjustments from where I was, no training changes, no supp changes. That 8 pounds lost so far is all DNP. And that just goes to prove that there is something wrong with my body; likely at the mitochondrial level. There's good and bad. The bad is the getting fat and not being able to lose weight. The good is being able to DL 500 pounds on 500kcal/day. If I got stranded somewhere for an extended period of time, I'd be able to survive a loooong time as long as I had water.

Anyway, back to the plan.

As of right now, I'm planning on no more changes at all until I hit 250. Once I hit 250, I plan to add in EvoMuse Abliderated topical and apply every night before bed. Once I run out of that bottle, assuming I'm lean enough, I'll switch over to Eviscerate and continue.

The only other thing that's really in the mix is that I'll be adding in GW at some point and I'm waiting on blood work to see where all my hormone levels are to figure the rest out (all drawn before starting).




I swear there's a post on here somewhere where I've laid out my specific training routine, but I couldn't find it today. The short version is this:

Week A: Max-OT (via AST)
Week B: High volume (e.g. 4x25 or 6x15 on ~3-4 lifts per muscle group)
Week C: High intensity (60 seconds rest between sets and 4x12 on 3-4 lifts per muscle group)

Pattern:

A
B
A
C
Repeat

Monday: Chest
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: OFF
Thursday: Arms
Friday: Legs
Saturday: Delts/Traps
Sunday: basketball

TweetWow! Thanks, Baby1! Very kind of you.

Tweethaha you misunderstood what i was saying mwb. their is no need to be completely miserable while using dnp. what i was saying was you build it up in your system and then just cruise with it. you can go low dose for long periods of time with almost the same effect but you have to endure the side effects for longer lol. as far as i know your body never adapts to dnp and you can pretty much run it for as long as you would like to as long as you keep all the internals clean. something he told me also is that if you arent sweating when you are consuming carbs for at least a little bit then it's time to take a little bit off. that is for getting ready for show prep because we dont increase carbs during the process all that often. so for you if you arent sweating when taking carbs in then you need to up them a touch until you get heat. it should only last for 30-60 mins after you consume them though

TweetDay 11

Feb. 25

Weight: 259.0 lbs.

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Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

Day 11

Feb. 25

Weight: 259.0 lbs.

PM Dose ~300mg DNP

I usually edit my post and add in the DNP dose, since it's before bed and I don't have it pre-set as to what it'll be; so the emphasis is added to the above to show last night's dosing.

Last night was an off night and my only true off day (Sunday is, too, but I play basketball for a couple hours).

Tuesday I hit my heavy back session and led with deadlifts and managed to have a belt this time, so hit 405x5 for my 2 final sets, which was nice.


That wrapped up the end of my A Week (Max-OT style) and today will be arms and I'm pretty sure it's my high intensity week.


Day 12

Feb 26

Weight: 260.2 lbs.

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Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

Day 12

Feb 26

Weight: 260.2 lbs.

PM dose ~290mg DNP

Day 13

Feb. 27

Weight: 261.2 lbs.


I know it's a slow, long process, but I have to admit; after those first several days and going down so quickly, I got spoiled. It's hard enough to see the scale stick, but when it climbs up a bit, that's when the mind games start. But I'll just stick to the plan. I've been ravenous the past few days, but all I've been eating are lean meats and if I crave more, protein powders and Quest bars. Though I should still be well under 3k calories each day and am shooting around 2500 with 250+g protein right now.

I'm looking forward to basketball on Sunday since the day after is usually a good day at clearing some weight for me.

May add in extra cardio during the week for a bit, too (though it shouldn't be necessary).

Killed my arms workout last night and made increases on every single set (3 lifts for bi's and 3 for tri's, each 4x12). Finished the whole thing in 43 minutes. That's my favorite part about intensity weeks -- I'm not in the gym all that long. I'll have legs this afternoon.

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Originally Posted by guns01

dont sweat the small bumps mwb. chalk that up to water my friend.

Appreciate it, brother. I know, but I just have to be stronger than the little mind games

Just glad to see it have gone down already, look slightly more defined through the chest and shoulders already and see strength maintain/go up.

TweetDay 15

March 1

Weight: 259.4 lbs.

Afternoon dose ~240mg DNP
PM dose ~300mg DNP

So either I just need the increased dose of DNP or there isn't as much per cap as I'm calculating. My friend capped these since he has access to more resources for capping. He mixed them with ALCAR at a 2:1 ratio, but it's not a perfect method. So I weigh each cap, subtract the 83mg the cap itself weighs, divide that number by 3 and then multiply it by 2 to come up with the amount of DNP.

So in the meantime I'll be sticking with this higher amount until I notice an appearance of negative sides.

TweetDay 16

March 2

Weight: 258.2 lbs.


Ended up with a complete off day yesterday because basketball got cancelled (due to an event for our youth's church league). I considered hitting the gym or even dropping my treadmill down at home to get some sprints in, but figured I'd just take this as a full rest day and then I'm going to duck out of youth group responsibilities this Wednesday to play ball at another church. I played there in the past before I helped with the youth and before I was quite as involved as I am now, but I need my run this week and it's so much better than a treadmill or track -- just gets a lot more aggression out.

I watched Kobe's documentary yesterday that aired on Showtime Saturday night called Muse. Well worth the watch. Awesome to be inside someone's head who is as competitive as he is. Really had me angry I wasn't playing basketball lol.

As you can see, I double-dosed my DNP again. Slept downstairs in one of our guest bedrooms because it's colder, but moreso because the cat has been waking me up multiple times during the night for the past few weeks and I just wanted a good night of uninterrupted sleep. Due to the increased dose, I saw some more sweating, but not like pooling when I first ran DNP. I woke up twice I think and only super briefly; kicked the comforter off of me partially and passed back out. When I first ran DNP, I'd have to take showers during the night and then go back to sleep because it was that soaking wet. So increase in sweating, but not substantial.

I'll probably just do normal dosing tonight to give things a break and see what's up. We'll also see how the work day goes (and if I sweat too much). At least it's not summer.

Went through my stash last night and got some things sorted and should have 2-3 months' worth of GW on hand (though I'll order more). Went ahead and started this morning adding my 20mg in (I always dose first thing in the AM on an empty stomach with my levothyroxine and agmatine). Hopefully that'll keep things moving along nicely and give me the other benefits outside of fat loss and help with my cardio, too.

Plan is still once I hit 250 to start applying my EvoMuse Abliderated post-shower/pre-bed and sleeping with a black beater on. That way if I do sweat, it won't get all over the sheets. That was the only problem I had last year was between that and the Eviscerate I was using, I managed to sweat crazy with the DNP and somehow ruined a shirt (not anything spectacular, but still a polo I liked). So this way I'll get that out of it and get at least 8-9 hours and not run the risk of ruining any clothes or even just sweating through while at work.

HIT chest session is on tap for this evening.