I took these today 4/29/05! Yes, i know they are not the best, cuase i take them myself! All these are cold, had not worked out yet, just coffee only!been off 1 year going back on in may. MIKEY............. I lied and I'm sorry....since I have been cutting, I have SHRUNK BIGTIME, my arms are ONLY 19 3/4 not 20 sorry to miss lead you bro! your still the biggest! I know I'm pastey and not olive like you!