TweetI buddy of mine that is 55 yo used to compete in power lifting in his late 20's - till about mid-thirties. He now takes test in moderate mgs (400-500 mgs/week most sust or cyp) for maintenance purposes and works out 3 times/week in his basement by himself. He also walks a couple of miles 4-5x's per week.

To be honest, He looks like he stopped working out 20 years ago altogether and does no cardio. He's had some health issues which excuse his soft approach to working out these days. But he's also about 5'9 and probably weights 230-240 lbs I'm guessing.

He recently asked if I could get him what he calls extreme diet pills. The wish list included: Vyvanse - when looked up said for binge eating disorder, apidex - when looked up said potent fat burner but also said was an appetite suppressant but had dangerous side effects, fastin - when looked up said it was a thermogenic fat burner but it was unclear whether the OTC version was as potent as the RX version and dexedrine - when looked up said it was for ADHD and seemed more for recreation than for fat lose. None of which I've ever heard of or seen for sale by the sponsors/on any of the suppliers lists. Are any of these worth the risk? And if any of these are that good then Why aren't these used by main stream BBers?