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      well i did it again. don't know if im just getting too old or if the aas or one certain one is making me predisposed to tears. tore the left calf in 2006 i think it was. tore the right calf in 2008 and now training the other night with a student who is still learning how to fight i tore my left hamstring, partial tear. i hate fighting beginner students cuz they are so intimidated fighting their teachers they put too much pressure on themselves to either show how tough they are or do things they are not ready to do. i was throwing techniques at him about half speed and he caught my roundhouse kick. now we teach that if you catch a kick, you immediately take tthe person down and follow up. he just stood there with a deer in the headlights look and i had warned him several times previously when he fought other students don't catch and stand there with his training partner balanced on one leg wondering what to do as he could injure his partner or get injured if his partner got pissed and threw a knee or hooked to the head etc. so he'sstanding there and then he starts to just move forward blindly while im being nice hopping on oone leg til we both fell and i felt the ham pop. was so pissed. so its been since the original injury on may 16th and while the tear itself feels better, as it did with the calf tear in 08, the swelling and bleeding in the leg has made walking painful, the leg look UGLY as hell and the edema is bad. can press finger about a half inch into the swelling and it takes a good minute for the dent to reform. purple from ankle to ass, not thrilled since i had hoped to be ripped for summer. i can train upper body pretty well but no lower body work for a good month at least and can't do any cardio or fighting presently. goddam it.
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      we are getting old bigdawg,lol we have to be careful
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      I am just getting over tearing my right hamstring, so I feel your pain. Sorry to hear that man.
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      Bf- im gonna disagree. Its not age. You and I have much in common. I too dip the candle in both ends. I've trained in ma daily since age 5. Like you I also teach. I have been weightlifting since my early teens I am now 46. I still progress in both. Training hard in both is brutal. Using aas does make us train harder and for few reasons including that we are susceptible to Injury. Most of my injuries were related to either overstreching in weight lifting related injuries. However every single injury I've ever sustained in class was by either sparring or showing a beginner. They don't understand the lethality of some tricks and they don't comprehend their own power yet. So that's a tough one. No matter how many times you tell them about control or to perform certain things slow adreneline or ignorance prevails. Ironically many chinese sighs wont train with beginners for that reason. They call it poison hand lol. In my dojo I spend much time explaining how we practice. Especially since beginners in my school start learning how to fight using angles with a blade. However its the same no matter what you use. Techniques should be basically the same principles regardless. As we age people like us do need to warm up more. Spend alot more time raising body temp before stretching and more time explaining training intentions and mentality. I've ripped and pulled every single muscle. Another is in the gym don't neglect the small support muscles. Do a set or two of high reps for forearms or leg extensions or shoulder pendulum exercises or hyperextensions. Its been proven over and over again that many people think flexibility is more important than power NOT TRUE. You need both. A weak muscle will tear when stretching. Especially. If you have an imbalance between muscles or portion of muscles. Those hip machines. That seem more popular with woman. Especially if you are a kick fighter. Do them. When I see some karate guy training chest who improperly. Stretches. Hamstrings between. Chest exercises I cringe. He would benefit. More to stretch the muscles he is lifting. Even the way we lift has an impact. Typically we bodybuilders advocate. To perform. All lifts slowly. And controlled.as we should. However we should also realize that if we play a sport like mma boxing bjj or football then take tips from the power lifters. Throw in some clean and jerks or snatches that you perform in an explosive manner to train the fibers that are used when you do quick movement otherwise your fibers are developing an imbalance meaning your muscle will be susceptible when doing something fast over a distance. This way you build functional power. Too many power. Athletes like what I mentioned train like bodybuilders hence build power that works against the function of movement. That's why even a set of cheat curls have their. Place. Try training. In the gym from a functional perspective. Only use machines if you are injured. Only use supports to train in order to protect injuries. If you always go heavy with belts wraps or using machines or belts to compress the small muscles then later when performing. Everyday. Activities or especially explosive fighting moves. The imbalances created by neglecting those tiny muscles leave you vulnerable and ripe for injury. In fact. If weights. And aas have made you stronger more quickly than typical. Those weak supporting muscles tendons ect. Have not increased as fast so in a sense even more weaker in contrast. To your now stronger major muscle group. Think about it and adjust your training. If we train smarter we can still progress. Weights can be the fountain of youth

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      One more thing BD love the signature. The mind is the greatest weapon. Think about thatin regard to my ideas. As you age you become wiser. Even if we wither and grow hold the mind can still grow stronger. Always convey that in my dojo as you can use the science of physiology timing positioning and leverage to overcome physical younger opponents.

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      To add on; try using a foam roller pre and post workouts. I actually use a regular rolling pin and roll out my legs before workouts. Always roll toward your heart. I think it really helps for hammies esp.

      I do mostly all functional/athletic type training; cleans, single leg stiff leg deads, sprints in the sand, up hills, on a track, tons of plyos and jumps with body weight or with a weight vest, lots of planks and hypers, plus, plenty of balance and even the often neglected muscles like shins and ankles, forearms, hips, rotator cuffs etc... I feel like Im in the best shape of my life and I have very few (knock on wood) injuries now. I used to pull my hammies and groin all the time until I started to fix all my imbalances and get my core in check. Planks and Hypers work wonders and their are a ton of variations as well. Now i can do heavy squats and deads with no belt and NO PAIN anymore.

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      Bump strella way to go. We also need to stress resting and recovery. And to balance our routines so we don't overtrain particularly if you engage in multiple activities. Im big on planned and active layoffs. Example few days hiking in the mountains . Even a week doing ashort lighter routine periodically. You muscles nervous system and mind will thank you

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      Much appreciate the tips on rolling the hams. Ketsugo: guilty of definitely not stretching enough lately. Fanatic about it as a student and preach the benefits but as chief instructor under my Sensei and usually the only staff member there to show for kids class and stay for the adults I usually sacrifice my time and jump right into teaching and fighting without stretching. Funny how something so basic and integral gets put aside. Uggggh! Fuzo: we ain't too old yet. Hey TN how long til the ham healed enough to train. One doc said 3 weeks to a month. Another said 3 months.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ketsugo View Post
      Bump strella way to go. We also need to stress resting and recovery. And to balance our routines so we don't overtrain particularly if you engage in multiple activities. Im big on planned and active layoffs. Example few days hiking in the mountains . Even a week doing ashort lighter routine periodically. You muscles nervous system and mind will thank you
      Yea, I just started adding active rest periods as well. They really seem to help for recovery quite a bit. Ill still do some lighter exercises, but no weights/heavy compound movements for a few days. I may just do some cardio and body weight type circuits with just maybe medium intensity. Nothing to kill myself or break down. I just like to continue to stay a little active to stay limber and not stiffen up. Plus, doing some light activity will help you recover faster anyway, it will get the lactic acid out etc. I used to hate taking time off, but now I enjoy it cause I always come back stronger and mentally fresher. I cant believe how bad I used to overtrain years ago, esp in high school. We used to do chest M W F for crying out loud when I was in 9th-11th grade. I would tear myself to pieces if I did that now!

      FWIW if you guys are feeling extra sore or stiff and need a quick pick me up try this; take a hot bath with epsom salts for like 20 mins then finish with a cold shower for like 5 mins. It is great for recovery, its also awesome for your skin if you care about that.

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      Hey TN how long til the ham healed enough to train. One doc said 3 weeks to a month. Another said 3 months.
      Well, I tore mine on 4/21. The next week I took off and nursed the leg. The next week, I basically worked everything except hams. Then I was out of town 2 weeks for work and now I am back. In my situation, it felt well enough to train after 4 weeks. But if you are bruised and swollen that bad, then it sounds like your tear was probably a little worse than mine. I was bruised pretty much just on the hamstring down to my knee joint and top of the calf....but I nursed it pretty good too. I heard 4-6 weeks and started lifting again week 5. So, I don't know that I would worry so much about it being 3 months. I would say 6 weeks maybe. I started back slowly this week and will slowly add next week. I don't want to push it.

      But I have ran on the treadmill, done 2 spin classes, done deadlifts, and will do squats tomorrow with no ill effects so far.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
      Much appreciate the tips on rolling the hams. Ketsugo: guilty of definitely not stretching enough lately. Fanatic about it as a student and preach the benefits but as chief instructor under my Sensei and usually the only staff member there to show for kids class and stay for the adults I usually sacrifice my time and jump right into teaching and fighting without stretching. Funny how something so basic and integral gets put aside. Uggggh! Fuzo: we ain't too old yet. Hey TN how long til the ham healed enough to train. One doc said 3 weeks to a month. Another said 3 months.
      You misread my words- I dont believe stretching is THAT important. Building the little muscles are, balancing the strong parts of the support muslces are. Streching is actually the cause of most injuries, stretching wrong, stretching cold, stretching too much::::

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      i dont mean like overstretching but more warming up before class starts and such. usually being the first one in the door, getting lights on, doors unlocked, changing up, by time i get around to starting class i'm still tight and not warmed up and that needs to change. may start trying out that hip machine tho. cover the basics, legs are pretty muched balanced and strong and we work the ancillary muscles doing slow kicking drills to focus on the small support muscles used when throwing kicks.
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      Well, I tore mine on 4/21. The next week I took off and nursed the leg. The next week, I basically worked everything except hams. Then I was out of town 2 weeks for work and now I am back. In my situation, it felt well enough to train after 4 weeks. But if you are bruised and swollen that bad, then it sounds like your tear was probably a little worse than mine. I was bruised pretty much just on the hamstring down to my knee joint and top of the calf....but I nursed it pretty good too. I heard 4-6 weeks and started lifting again week 5. So, I don't know that I would worry so much about it being 3 months. I would say 6 weeks maybe. I started back slowly this week and will slowly add next week. I don't want to push it.

      But I have ran on the treadmill, done 2 spin classes, done deadlifts, and will do squats tomorrow with no ill effects so far.

      I hope this gives you some hope man. I know what a PITA it is.
      going to see if i can get dic to scedule an mri to see exactly what us torn and how bad. don't have any actual pain per se like i did when i tore my calves befire, just pain associated with the swelling and bleeding. now that the swelling is lessening and the bruising from the bleeding is leaving the quad area and is just in the calf/knee area and travelling into the foot the flexibility is better walking and moving, just a tad bit of tightness. definitelygood to hear three months is probably ortho doc talking out his a$$, thanks.
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      I bought some ace bandages and last night I wrapped it before bed and slept with it wrapped all night. And when I woke up it feels better
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      Quote Originally Posted by BigDawg View Post
      going to see if i can get dic to scedule an mri to see exactly what us torn and how bad. don't have any actual pain per se like i did when i tore my calves befire, just pain associated with the swelling and bleeding. now that the swelling is lessening and the bruising from the bleeding is leaving the quad area and is just in the calf/knee area and travelling into the foot the flexibility is better walking and moving, just a tad bit of tightness. definitelygood to hear three months is probably ortho doc talking out his a$$, thanks.

      Well, I had people tell me the same. It's kind of one of those things where everyone is different and there are too many variables. Mine hurt pretty bad as far as walking for a couple of weeks. But I would say that it healed pretty quickly. Also, I worked legs completely last Saturday and for a few days after, it felt as if my leg was swollen a bit. That has never happened so I think that it was from the injury as well. Maybe I pushed it too hard too fast or something. It feels good now (except my sciatic which flares up EVERY time i take a break from squats and deads).
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