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Originally Posted by FUZO

When I rabn t-3 with my GH the first time I just stuck with 25 every day didnt ramp used it for 3-4 weeks and I was fine. But did get tested after words to see what my level was. The 2nd and 3rd time I used it I ramped up and they both worked for me

Awesome- I always recommend to do precisely what you do- its perfect

TweetOn T-3 you CANNOT develop the more is better mentality due to the fact that number one, you will burn up all your muscle tissue, and number two, you could potentially screw up your metabolism for the rest of your life, I think number two catches peoples attention. Also every one talks about the "T-3 crash" when you discontinue using it, this is also false due to the fact that most of the people who talk about this normally go back to a bulking diet after the finish, of course your going to gain fat back if you do that!

The best way to come off would be to taper down and when coming of (due to the sluggishness of your metabolism) resume you diet plan for 4-6 weeks after, then start to slowly add calories back in until you are at your normal level. To cycle T-3, I would start with 25mg for the first week, 50mcg the second, 75mcg the third, (you could go up to 100mcg if you feel your body needs it) then stay at that dose for 2 weeks, then taper down by 25mcg per week until you are off. Again this is a dangerous drug when not used correctly, and you have to know your body very well (diet wise) to avoid muscle loss, which could occur.

another point
Thyroid dosage intake is not dependent on bodyweight or gender, but rather on the individual’s blood level. This means that females can take the same dosage volume and schedule as males.

TweetDangers of T3
Thyroid Hormone Replacement Therapies:
Logical Analysis and Ethical Implications
by Dr. John C. Lowe

The endocrinology specialty has long opposed the use of products that contain T3. The basis of its opposition, so it claims, is the resulting brief peak blood level of T3. Members of the specialty glibly state that the peak level is in the "thyrotoxic range"[84,p.1225] and that this peak level causes heart palpitations that trouble patients. They further state that the peak level may adversely affect the heart. But, these members resound, by using Synthroid patients can avoid these problems.

The specialty’s claim that T3 causes these problems is a mere presumption; it is contradicted by the reports of researchers with extensive clinical experience with T3. Psychiatric researchers whose patients use T3 point out that it is generally well-tolerated.[35] The experience of my research group agrees with this observation. For some fifteen years, our treatment team has worked directly with hundreds of patients using combined T4/T3 products or T3 alone. Our observations during that time dispute the warning that palpitations are a problem for patients who use T3-containing products. Palpitations in these patients are exceedingly rare. When a patient has experienced palpitations, they have been minor and of little or no concern to the patient. The palpitations have also been of no clinical significance. It’s noteworthy that the researchers of the four studies, as well as those of three other studies comparing the effectiveness of T4 and T4/T3-replacement, didn’t report that their study patients were troubled by palpitations.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

I can find no study that members of the specialty have conducted confirming its prediction of adverse effects from T3. Only last year, endocrinologists Kaplan, Sarne, and Schneider wrote: ". . . the possible long-term risks of elevated or fluctuating T3 levels have not been evaluated."[19,p.4541]

Systematic studies have not conclusively ruled out long-term adverse effects. But many patients have used T3 for many years without apparent adverse effects. We have, then, a positive anecdotal record and no long-term safety studies showing that T3 is harmful. Regardless, the specialty has warned of potential harm in a manner that has generated irrational fear of T3 among physicians. It’s common, for example, for patients who’ve asked their doctors to prescribe T3 to hear the reply, "If you take T3, you’re going to have a heart attack and die!"[48,p.10]

It goes without saying, of course, that caution is necessary with patients who have fragile cardiac conditions. This is especially true when such a patient is using a product containing T3, since T3 directly affects the myocardium.[66] But potential harm from T3 is not actual harm, and the endocrinology specialty has so blurred the distinction that most other physicians—and perhaps they themselves—don’t know the difference.

TweetResearch published in the May 2005 issue of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism reported on a recent study that found that patients preferred thyroid treatment that included a combination of levothyroxine (T4) and T3, rather than the usual levothyroxine (T4 only) treatment, and that combination treatment was associated with •A decrease in body weight -- but not a decrease in serum TSH -- was correlated with increased satisfaction with study medication

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Originally Posted by ketsugo

I We got people cycling aas nonstop- far moree dangerous than this

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.


Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

TweetAm I the only one who likes running t3 Mallet's way. 7 day t3 cycle, Day 1-5 200mcg Day 6 100mcg Day 7 50mcg.

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Originally Posted by baby1

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.
Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

He is not going to listen. He is parroting something he heard from a board or a so called friend and repeating it here as gospel.
I wrote a short and clear post and he didn't want to clutter his mind with too many facts. THEN does a copy and paste (much knowledge needed there )
people process thyroid hormone in diffrent ways!!! giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible, could lead to death (via heart arrythmias) and/or shutdown of your thyroid!

Tweetthere are a lot of good thoughts and ideas here. I am a complete advocate of getting blood work done and having everything in check. In all the studies and everything that i have read there has been no cases of thyroid shutdown in a human from taking synthetic t3, unless SEVERE abuse was being used. With all normal amount the function returned with 2 weeks. T4 is not as cut and dry as t3 because of the transfer rate in everyones body. Just remember when you use any product start low listen to your body and be safe.

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Originally Posted by jamescb77

there are a lot of good thoughts and ideas here. I am a complete advocate of getting blood work done and having everything in check. In all the studies and everything that i have read there has been no cases of thyroid shutdown in a human from taking synthetic t3, unless SEVERE abuse was being used. With all normal amount the function returned with 2 weeks. T4 is not as cut and dry as t3 because of the transfer rate in everyones body. Just remember when you use any product start low listen to your body and be safe.

Agreed. Well written.

TweetI'm about to use t-3 again and do the exact same thing as I did before use 25 ED

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Originally Posted by FUZO

I'm about to use t-3 again and do the exact same thing as I did before use 25 ED

There ya go. People that just hear things or live by hearsay knowledge shouldnt be giving advice. When you have lived it - through being a trainer or training oneself for a few decades its a different story

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Originally Posted by baby1

Don't know about that as the thyroid is a pretty important gland to the body.( You dont know that what? That the testes, the liver , the heart , the kidneys, the pancreas and pituitarty are important glands??? LOL or you dont know that people do steroids here maybe at high dosages or youve never read in the aas section that people stay on cycle and never come off??? )

Probably would be a good idea if people new beforehand what tehri thryroid numbers were.

Of course people are- They have been posting it on all our boards for long long time. There are no studies that exist to demonstrate that thyroid shuts down. That is hearsay and hysteria- AAS is no more safer. These compounds that we discuss across the forums can be used safely if done in moderate doses and take time off from using them. With respect, are you also an expert in AAS and Thyroid use? just curious, I really dont know

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Originally Posted by firstenrgy

He is not going to listen. He is parroting something he heard from a board or a so called friend and repeating it here as gospel.
I wrote a short and clear post and he didn't want to clutter his mind with too many facts. THEN does a copy and paste (much knowledge needed there )
people process thyroid hormone in diffrent ways!!! giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible, could lead to death (via heart arrythmias) and/or shutdown of your thyroid!

Parroting is what you do my friend, I have been training people for many years and myself - Your post was ridiculousIT WAS NOT CLEAR AND WENT TOTALLY OFF TRACK - who cares about how many different dosages thyroid comes in- that post had nothing intelligent to say. Its when people abuse the compouns we speak of that have problems. You have never used it or trained or advised anyone else? So how is it that you are such an expert? Sounds like that is what a parrot is. Ive trained for 40 years diligently, I do have an education in the area as well. Been training people for around 15 years and have been on many many forums besides this one. OF COURSE I COPY AND PASTE- to illustrate that Im not the only one that believes- What do you think you did??? AND WHO DID THIS? "giving people 11,22,333 ideas as cure alls is irresponsible"- i DONT SEE THAT ANYWHERE- SO YOU ARE NO T MAKING SENSE