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Originally Posted by THE PROFESSOR

now this kind has a hlaf life of 3-5 hours (check anywhere for this fact!) ,

Its not a fact bro. No disrespect but how can you claim its a fact? Do you have studies to confirm this? I say its 20-25 hours because I get a headache if I over lap injections for a time. And the overlap builds up till the amount you have is more then what you are taking and I get a headache that lasts for like 24 hours and have done this a couple of times. And it happens the same everytime.
I dont know what the amount I have built up is but it takes 24 hours or so for it so dissipate and I know this isnt the most scientific way to check it but I know others that feel the same and have been running it for years.

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Originally Posted by THE PROFESSOR

THE HEADACHES COULD HAVE BEEN FROM MANY DIFFERENT REASON,, GOING HYPO, SLIN, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, AMOUNT OF TEST U TAKE, IF TAKING DROL,DBOL,WINNY, MINERAL DEPLEATED ALL HAVE A AFFECT ON THAT,, AND THERE R STUDIES THAT PROVE THE LIFE OF IT.. YOUR WAY OF CHECKING IS SO INACCURATE.. THIS IS ALL BASED ON FACTS YOU DID YOUR OWN STUDIE WICH IS FINE AND IM NOT SAY U DONT FEEL IT FOR THAT LONG,, LIKE I SAID BEFORE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT STUDIES REACTED DIFFERENT,, BUT AS FOR LIFE IF THE BODY IGF IS ONLY ACTIVE FOR A COUPLE HOURS,, SO HERE ARE YOUR FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not some guy that isnt aware of all that so rule all that out. It wasnt what I was taking or hypo or minerals or any of that. If I didtn know what I was talking about I wouldnt argue my point. You say its based on facts, I still see nothing that can be called an absalute fact with blood work showing the rise and fall of levels at time periods. I am aware that you know the difference between the two types of IGF but lets focus on LR3 because I doubt many use the old kind. An i am aware yo know the difference between media and receptor grade so you need not try to convince me or anyone of that. Facts? Blood tests? Lets see what ya got.

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Originally Posted by THE PROFESSOR

IGF-1 Variations
There are many different analogs of IGF available, instead of mentioning them all, I will simply mention the two most common and the most effective. Regular recombinant IGF is one of the two, it is also the more expensive and the least effective. Regular IGF only has a half-life of about 10-20 minutes in the human body and is quickly destroyed, it can be combined with certain binding proteins to extend the half-life, but it is not a very simple procedure and there is a more effective and less expensive version available.
About IGF-1 Long R3
The most effective form of IGF is Long R3 IGF-1, it has been chemically altered and has had amino acid changes which cause it to avoid binding to proteins in the human body and allow it to have a much longer half life, around 5-15 hours."Long R3 IGF-1 is an 83 amino acid analog of IGF-1 comprising the complete human IGF-1 sequence with the substition of an Arg® for the Glu(E) at position three, hence R3, and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N terminus. This analog of IGF-1 has been produced with the purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF peptide. It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use.

Differences between IGF-1 and HGH (human growth hormone) There is a lot of talk about the similarity between IGF and growth hormone. The most often asked question is simply which is more effective. GH doesn't directly cause your muscles to grow, it works very indirectly by increasing protein synthesis capabilities, increasing the amount of insulin a person can use effectively, and increasing the amount of anabolic steroids a person can use effectively. GH also indirectly causes muscle growth by stimulating the release of IGF when it (the GH) is destroyed in the human body. So one way you could look at it as GH being a precursor to IGF. So to put it simple IGF is more effective at directly causing muscle growth and density increases. IGF is also much more cost effective. IGF can also be effectively used by itself and gains will still be easily noticeable. With growth hormone you need to use high amounts of anabolics and often insulin to see any gains at all, this is not the case with IGF.
IGF-1 Long R3 Quality Analysis Report

now these facts r for receptor grade wich is hard to find,, media grade (most common) has much less life time in the body than receptor ans less effective.. please arrgue with facts not personal studies

This says somatropin, Thats HGH not LR3? OK I see you know what you are talking about. This isnt an IGF product report. Your turn.

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The most effective form of IGF is Long R3 IGF-1, it has been chemically altered and has had amino acid changes which cause it to avoid binding to proteins in the human body and allow it to have a much longer half life, around 20-30 hours. "long R3 IGF-1 is an 83 amino acid analog of IGF-1 comprising the complete human IGF-1 sequence with the substition of an Arg for the Glu (E) at position three, hence R3, and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N terminus. This analog of IGF-1 has been produced with the purpose of increasing the biological activity of the IGF peptide. It is also not as expensive since a media grade version is available which is sufficient for bodybuilding use.

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Originally Posted by THE PROFESSOR

THIS ISINT A GAME BOSS,, and im sorry i even posted in here,, i copied the wrong analyis report but that means nothing anyway,, facts r still there. we took over the thread for this, u say what u say i posted facts done deal,, lets stick to the subject,,

I am just letting you know thats all. So dont jump in acting like you know facts about everything, you might learn something. And oh yeah you have not stated one fact. Fact are what can be backed up by blood test/reports that show levels at high and low points and that would easily prove your theory but I havent seen anything like that. I just want you to know the real deal thats all. A new user asked some stuff and you got in acting like you knew the right way and had the right answers, dont be so arrogant. This stuff is so unexplored that not much solid research exists on it. We are all learning and I dont want to see this new guy getting bad info because its what you read that someone wrote of whatever. Anyway. Enough said. Sorry about jumping all over the thread yamaha147, if I can help just let me know buddy.

TweetWhatever. Do more research bro, thats all I can say. Its cool to want to help folks and have the answers to stuff but if you have been around awhile then you know alot of the stuff you read is just stuff that has been copied and pasted all over the place so its best to do your own research as much as possible. Dont rely so much on all the stuff you read till you try it on yourself and can say, OK I too get the same results that they are talking about in the article. I know you own a board but I can buy a race car but that doesnt mean I can tell you how to win the Indy500. No problem bro just try to be sure before you give advice or at least say "this is what I heard but dont know if its true" ..Well Good luck to you PROF. No hard feelings.

TweetWell whatever, good luck to you and like I said, no hard feelings.

Tweetok so clearly this has escalated b/w you two but here's the deal...professor knows a lot...he really does...y'all have a difference of opinion? great! that's why we have boards like this to see all POV...but if you don't know the person then there's no need to make accusations of them not knowing anything or of just simply copying and pasting something...all the back and forth of who may or may not know something only makes it harder for the person seeking info to read their thread...I say just take it up via pm...

now as for the topic of igf...not sure how long you can run it but the six weeks I ran it last summer were awesome...it totally helped me get past the plateau my delts had hit...

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Originally Posted by gymdiva

ok so clearly this has escalated b/w you two but here's the deal...professor knows a lot...he really does...y'all have a difference of opinion? great! that's why we have boards like this to see all POV...but if you don't know the person then there's no need to make accusations of them not knowing anything or of just simply copying and pasting something...all the back and forth of who may or may not know something only makes it harder for the person seeking info to read their thread...I say just take it up via pm...

now as for the topic of igf...not sure how long you can run it but the six weeks I ran it last summer were awesome...it totally helped me get past the plateau my delts had hit...

Hey GymDiva, I didnt say he didnt know anything and I only argued my point because he gave inaccurate info on the halflife. I understand that he knows alot and thats great but i am sure of this point so I am not going to back off and let the newbs believe inaccurate info. Makes no since now does it? Well anyway this has turned into a pissing match so Im done. For the New Guys, read everything you can find before you believe anyones version. Thats about the best advice i think.

TweetI want to thank everyone for there opinions on this. I plan on doing a lot more research before running it. I did learn a GREAT deal from all of your posts and once again I thank you! Reps 4 everyone