TweetYeah, That iis when you will get good benefits. Night time is good too and will give you good sleep but if you had eaten recently it blunts the effect.

I started at night and changed to morning and would not eat anything just drink black coffee. then two-three hours later I would eat breakfast. I felt it worked better for me. Also Take berberine with your morning dose. Really helped with the lethargia.

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Yeah, That iis when you will get good benefits. Night time is good too and will give you good sleep but if you had eaten recently it blunts the effect.

I started at night and changed to morning and would not eat anything just drink black coffee. then two-three hours later I would eat breakfast. I felt it worked better for me. Also Take berberine with your morning dose. Really helped with the lethargia.

intake of any form of food has zero impact on gh. i had always believed the same thing and then i asked moutain dog himself about it. he pointed me to the correct info and also told me that that info came from peptide usage not actual gh. if you are using ghrp or other gh releasing peptides having carbs or other foods circulating at the time of administering that it can blunt the release completely. which make using peps a huge pain in the ass. in all honesty when it comes to gh, it doesnt really matter at all once your igf is saturated it stays elevated for up to 72 hours. so it is whenever it is best to fit your sched. i personally wouldnt take it before bed since you should get a nice pulse from rems sleep already. only thing i have used before bed is ghrps which work well and i have also dosed gh in the middle of the night since i am already up and messed up with rems sleep. hell, i think i have tried damn near every protocol possible

TweetBro not arguing, I do not know mountain dog but it is a medical fact that insulin and GH are antagonist and reduce each others beneficial effects. May not have an effect on IGF. If you could provide that info. I want to have the most valid science behind my GH usage.

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Bro not arguing, I do not know mountain dog but it is a medical fact that insulin and GH are antagonist and reduce each others beneficial effects. May not have an effect on IGF. If you could provide that info. I want to have the most valid science behind my GH usage.

john's site is paid so i cant pull the info off and put it up here. you can go onto scott stevenson's youtube and watch tons and tons of his videos on the topic. that's who damn near all the top dogs go to to get info. again the point he made to me is that only pertains to natural release and not external admin of gh. insulin can not blunt the admin of external gh. it's not being released it is being put in. think about it like this: if you are trying to maximize your natural pulse of gh and you put insulin in or you put in a pep or whathaveyou to cause a gh release naturally then it will stop it from releasing. on the other hand if you put external no shit gh in, no matter what it is going into your system. also, when you train all of your hormones rise ie... gh, slin test etc... funny i believed that same thing for years and he told me it only pertains to natural release and you couldnt blunt what you were putting in externally. that's why some pros take it in huge doses throughout the day along with slin at the same time

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Bro not arguing, I do not know mountain dog but it is a medical fact that insulin and GH are antagonist and reduce each others beneficial effects. May not have an effect on IGF. If you could provide that info. I want to have the most valid science behind my GH usage.

here is a palumbo video talking about it not mattering when you take gh:

their are tons of info on the topic out there by some of the top coaches out there talking about it. i pointed out doc scott who is a wealth of info with supporting docs. if you want to join the mountaindogdiet site. their is more info on there than you can even imagine including papers and videos. doc scott and john are the only people that i have ever taken what they said as full fact truth. palumbo comes in at 3d but he is also smart as shit and usually gives science background on what he puts out

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Bro not arguing, I do not know mountain dog but it is a medical fact that insulin and GH are antagonist and reduce each others beneficial effects. May not have an effect on IGF. If you could provide that info. I want to have the most valid science behind my GH usage.

This was also just discussed on a podcast recently and the only affect having carbs/ high insulin levels in your system when taking gh is that it blunts the fat burning effect. The gh will still do it’s job.


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here is a palumbo video talking about it not mattering when you take gh:

their are tons of info on the topic out there by some of the top coaches out there talking about it. i pointed out doc scott who is a wealth of info with supporting docs. if you want to join the mountaindogdiet site. their is more info on there than you can even imagine including papers and videos. doc scott and john are the only people that i have ever taken what they said as full fact truth. palumbo comes in at 3d but he is also smart as shit and usually gives science background on what he puts out

Thanks
But, when to take GH, I figured, wouldn't be that hard a question to answer. I thought if you just took a few competitors or a few bodybuilders and followed their blood tests for a good amount of time It should be easy to figure out. I would never ask a question that calls for an answer that would apply to everyone.

There are no answers like that, that apply to everyone. I figured that out a long time ago. Everybody's different and everybody reacts differently.



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But, when to take GH, I figured, wouldn't be that hard a question to answer. I thought if you just took a few competitors or a few bodybuilders and followed their blood tests for a good amount of time It should be easy to figure out. I would never ask a question that calls for an answer that would apply to everyone.

There are no answers like that, that apply to everyone. I figured that out a long time ago. Everybody's different and everybody reacts differently.



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i base everything i do off of labs and have for years now. this topic was when is it optimal to dose your gh and if you can have carbs in your system or if you need to be fasted during dosing. so you do not need to be fasted for gh only certain ghrps. carbs do blunt the release of natural gh output but not external gh. so in reality it really doesnt matter when to take it but on the flip side of the coin their are kind of bad times. 1- post training because gh is being released naturally due to training stimulus if you are training hard enough. 2- middle of the night or during sleep because if you are hitting rems then you are kind of wasting it. 3- first thing in the am (because it can cause a blood sugar drop and mess some people up). now i wouldnt go as far as to say that it is bad first thing in the am because i have done it with no issues and it does work. i lean more towards pre workout or at another part of the day. i did learn from a smart guy that is an elite level competitor that multi dosing blasts work really well when you are first starting out in the short term early in your training career as long as you can tolerate the sides. we are talking about 25-30ius per day for 2-3 weeks and then shutting it down for a bit to let everything come back in check then back at it. i did this approach once and couldnt do it anymore. it gave me carpal tunnel something horrific shot my glucose through the roof and i bloated up with high bp. i did not like that approach at all and i can honestly say it really didnt translate to much because i couldnt sleep.
their are about 100x to skin a cat and as long as labs look good i dont think it really matters so much as long as you dont hamper the little bit you put out naturally in the process. we have to take advantage of every little bit we can in this game. that is esp true to those of use with lack luster genetics

TweetThanks, you always give good info without having to read worthless BS.
I did figure , myself, that before bed just made no sense for someone using GH to spike their already normal GH levels.
Drs always recommend before bed but they are referring to those with low GH so taking a shot before bed, for them, is just reestablishing a normal body's cycle.
For someone using GH for PE purposes with no low GH problem it just seemed, to me, to make little sense to take it before bed. If your own body releases the most GH at that time like you said, it's a waste, what your body produces is another dose intself, correct? Seems to make sense.

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i base everything i do off of labs and have for years now. this topic was when is it optimal to dose your gh and if you can have carbs in your system or if you need to be fasted during dosing. so you do not need to be fasted for gh only certain ghrps. carbs do blunt the release of natural gh output but not external gh. so in reality it really doesnt matter when to take it but on the flip side of the coin their are kind of bad times. 1- post training because gh is being released naturally due to training stimulus if you are training hard enough. 2- middle of the night or during sleep because if you are hitting rems then you are kind of wasting it. 3- first thing in the am (because it can cause a blood sugar drop and mess some people up). now i wouldnt go as far as to say that it is bad first thing in the am because i have done it with no issues and it does work. i lean more towards pre workout or at another part of the day. i did learn from a smart guy that is an elite level competitor that multi dosing blasts work really well when you are first starting out in the short term early in your training career as long as you can tolerate the sides. we are talking about 25-30ius per day for 2-3 weeks and then shutting it down for a bit to let everything come back in check then back at it. i did this approach once and couldnt do it anymore. it gave me carpal tunnel something horrific shot my glucose through the roof and i bloated up with high bp. i did not like that approach at all and i can honestly say it really didnt translate to much because i couldnt sleep.
their are about 100x to skin a cat and as long as labs look good i dont think it really matters so much as long as you dont hamper the little bit you put out naturally in the process. we have to take advantage of every little bit we can in this game. that is esp true to those of use with lack luster genetics

I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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Why I mentioned always being so lean is because I don't think it would be a great idea for everyone to go up to 10 ius of Insulin 2X a day. From what I know insulin is great at taking nutrients and getting them where they need to be to grow. But, it also stores body fat in a lot of people. That's something that I just don't have to be concerned with so why not take it 2 X a day. I did in the past, years ago with no problems. I'm going off topic for anyone reading this that may just decide to try the same thing. Just pointing out potential unwanted effects for some.
If someone has a metabolism on the slower side it's not impossible to use insulin like that with no BF increase. You need to add thyroid, T3 preferably. This is so normal to me because I've been around it so long and I just talk about it like it's protein powder or something. I can see how someone new would read this and think it quite insane, lol.

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I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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make sure if you are trying to prevent the double spike with humilin r to take it im as opposed to sub q. it acts the same way as log does if you use it im. if you are going the sub q route just be weary of the second spike about 2 hours or so after you take it. you shouldnt see any issues at 5iu but when you creep up to 10 then it could drive glucose down on the second spike

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Why I mentioned always being so lean is because I don't think it would be a great idea for everyone to go up to 10 ius of Insulin 2X a day. From what I know insulin is great at taking nutrients and getting them where they need to be to grow. But, it also stores body fat in a lot of people. That's something that I just don't have to be concerned with so why not take it 2 X a day. I did in the past, years ago with no problems. I'm going off topic for anyone reading this that may just decide to try the same thing. Just pointing out potential unwanted effects for some.
If someone has a metabolism on the slower side it's not impossible to use insulin like that with no BF increase. You need to add thyroid, T3 preferably. This is so normal to me because I've been around it so long and I just talk about it like it's protein powder or something. I can see how someone new would read this and think it quite insane, lol.

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for those looking at slin for performance enhancement. here are the kickers. if you are fat and you put it in then you will get fatter for sure. if you are lean and eat like an ass hole you will get fat faster. that's the long and short of it. if you are using gh which shunts your thyroid and makes you insulin resistant you will need to add a little of both if you are going to run it long term. so if you dont want to go diabetic stay on top of you blood glucose both fasting and post meal. if your numbers are over 90 or in the 100s fasted then you are going to need some help. same thing if post meal if they climb up to 200 or so. the biggest key to not adding additional fat on is basically dont eat like an ass hole because you insulin resistance will enhance the fat gain and take in the good fats that you consume away from the slin's active windows. those are the best ways to minimize fat gains.