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Originally Posted by guns01

i base everything i do off of labs and have for years now. this topic was when is it optimal to dose your gh and if you can have carbs in your system or if you need to be fasted during dosing. so you do not need to be fasted for gh only certain ghrps. carbs do blunt the release of natural gh output but not external gh. so in reality it really doesnt matter when to take it but on the flip side of the coin their are kind of bad times. 1- post training because gh is being released naturally due to training stimulus if you are training hard enough. 2- middle of the night or during sleep because if you are hitting rems then you are kind of wasting it. 3- first thing in the am (because it can cause a blood sugar drop and mess some people up). now i wouldnt go as far as to say that it is bad first thing in the am because i have done it with no issues and it does work. i lean more towards pre workout or at another part of the day. i did learn from a smart guy that is an elite level competitor that multi dosing blasts work really well when you are first starting out in the short term early in your training career as long as you can tolerate the sides. we are talking about 25-30ius per day for 2-3 weeks and then shutting it down for a bit to let everything come back in check then back at it. i did this approach once and couldnt do it anymore. it gave me carpal tunnel something horrific shot my glucose through the roof and i bloated up with high bp. i did not like that approach at all and i can honestly say it really didnt translate to much because i couldnt sleep.
their are about 100x to skin a cat and as long as labs look good i dont think it really matters so much as long as you dont hamper the little bit you put out naturally in the process. we have to take advantage of every little bit we can in this game. that is esp true to those of use with lack luster genetics

I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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Why I mentioned always being so lean is because I don't think it would be a great idea for everyone to go up to 10 ius of Insulin 2X a day. From what I know insulin is great at taking nutrients and getting them where they need to be to grow. But, it also stores body fat in a lot of people. That's something that I just don't have to be concerned with so why not take it 2 X a day. I did in the past, years ago with no problems. I'm going off topic for anyone reading this that may just decide to try the same thing. Just pointing out potential unwanted effects for some.
If someone has a metabolism on the slower side it's not impossible to use insulin like that with no BF increase. You need to add thyroid, T3 preferably. This is so normal to me because I've been around it so long and I just talk about it like it's protein powder or something. I can see how someone new would read this and think it quite insane, lol.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

Why I mentioned always being so lean is because I don't think it would be a great idea for everyone to go up to 10 ius of Insulin 2X a day. From what I know insulin is great at taking nutrients and getting them where they need to be to grow. But, it also stores body fat in a lot of people. That's something that I just don't have to be concerned with so why not take it 2 X a day. I did in the past, years ago with no problems. I'm going off topic for anyone reading this that may just decide to try the same thing. Just pointing out potential unwanted effects for some.
If someone has a metabolism on the slower side it's not impossible to use insulin like that with no BF increase. You need to add thyroid, T3 preferably. This is so normal to me because I've been around it so long and I just talk about it like it's protein powder or something. I can see how someone new would read this and think it quite insane, lol.

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for those looking at slin for performance enhancement. here are the kickers. if you are fat and you put it in then you will get fatter for sure. if you are lean and eat like an ass hole you will get fat faster. that's the long and short of it. if you are using gh which shunts your thyroid and makes you insulin resistant you will need to add a little of both if you are going to run it long term. so if you dont want to go diabetic stay on top of you blood glucose both fasting and post meal. if your numbers are over 90 or in the 100s fasted then you are going to need some help. same thing if post meal if they climb up to 200 or so. the biggest key to not adding additional fat on is basically dont eat like an ass hole because you insulin resistance will enhance the fat gain and take in the good fats that you consume away from the slin's active windows. those are the best ways to minimize fat gains.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

I finally got settled and am starting today. Before I read this I took 4 Ius as soon as I woke up then ate a pretty big carb/ protein meal maybe 30 minutes later. I'm so damn Lean, I know it pisses people off when I say that like it's annoying but sometimes it is. I had to eat, so much, so many calories to put on muscle I would wake up at 2 or 3 am to take in at least 60 grams of carbs and 40-50 protein. It was annoying, don't do it now, when I was competing I had to.
Anyway, I'm so lean I decided to take 5 IUS of HUMILiN R first thing in AM and after training. May go up to 10 Ius slowly.

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make sure if you are trying to prevent the double spike with humilin r to take it im as opposed to sub q. it acts the same way as log does if you use it im. if you are going the sub q route just be weary of the second spike about 2 hours or so after you take it. you shouldnt see any issues at 5iu but when you creep up to 10 then it could drive glucose down on the second spike