TweetI've heard prior to bed in one big dose is best for mass and spread out 2xday is better for fat loss. I've been a fan of doing it at night because I train in the am and don't want to loose any natural boost of gh from training because I did my shot prior. I have also read to take it pwo to piggy back off of your natural boost from training giving a higher overall blood level. My issue with that protocol is I train and go right to work. I don't like the idea of having anything like that packed with me and it's still awkward to try and squeeze in a shot. If I didn't train first thing in the am then I would take it then to combat any catabolism from the night time fast.


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TweetMan with my schedule it's just take it when I friggin can!


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TweetI may switch it to at night before bed. Doing it so early in the morning is a pain in the butt sometimes.

TweetHello!

After injuring my shoulder and having physio, sports massage and taking over the counter supps like Glucosamine , MSM, Chondroitin, Cissus, Devils Claw and Fish oil caps for 4 months my shoulders arent 100% recovered. They are a lot better but still i cant shoulder press or bench press properly. :cursing:

Spoke to my physio and she said it could take until the end of the year or more for the right tendon which i damaged very badly, where the pec minor and and shoulder muscle attach to the tendon, to recover fully. The left shoulder has nearly recovered until that is yesterday when i went heavy and now its hurting again :death:

Problem is it doesnt seem to be healing as fast as i would like, i know the normal routine is take time off, rest it, massage, stretching and then build the strength back up but i have been doing that and its painfully slow.

So i was thinking of taking Growth Hormone to help it recover quicker, anyone else think it might help?

I plan to take it for 6 weeks, as im off abroad after that, and really need to get my shoulders back to normal as possible.

Anyone suggest doses etc would be helpful.

TweetI honestly don't think you would see much out of only running it for 6 weeks brotha. Especially for those types of benefits, you would still need to run it long term. If it were me, I'd save my money and wait till you got back. Then stay on more long term. 6 weeks isn't very long when it comes to HGH.

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Originally Posted by Yohimbe

I honestly don't think you would see much out of only running it for 6 weeks brotha. Especially for those types of benefits, you would still need to run it long term. If it were me, I'd save my money and wait till you got back. Then stay on more long term. 6 weeks isn't very long when it comes to HGH.

i agree. you need at least a good 4-6 months consistent to see any really good benefits

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Originally Posted by chemicallyengineered

I've heard prior to bed in one big dose is best for mass and spread out 2xday is better for fat loss. I've been a fan of doing it at night because I train in the am and don't want to loose any natural boost of gh from training because I did my shot prior. I have also read to take it pwo to piggy back off of your natural boost from training giving a higher overall blood level. My issue with that protocol is I train and go right to work. I don't like the idea of having anything like that packed with me and it's still awkward to try and squeeze in a shot. If I didn't train first thing in the am then I would take it then to combat any catabolism from the night time fast.


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Less then 45 minute half life.

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Originally Posted by PUMPEDVA

Less then 45 minute half life.

I hate to be a dick but ;
“Somatropin may be given by either subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. During clinical studies, the pharmacokinetic properties of somatropin following both methods of use were determined. When given by subcutaneous injection, somatropin has a similar but moderately higher level of bioavailability (75% vs. 63%). The rate of drug metabolism following both routes was also very similar, with somatropin displaying a half-life of approximately 3.8 hours and 4.9 hours after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection, respectively. Baseline hormone levels are usually reached between 12 hours and 18 hours following injection, with the slower times seen with intramuscular use. Given the delayed rise in IGF-1 levels, however, which can remain elevated 24 hours after hGH injection, the metabolic activity of human growth hormone will outlast its actual levels in the body. Although drug absorption is acceptable by both methods of use, daily subcutaneous administration is generally regarded as the preferred method of using somatropin.”

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TweetPlease share your thought bro.

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Originally Posted by chemicallyengineered

I hate to be a dick but ;
“Somatropin may be given by either subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. During clinical studies, the pharmacokinetic properties of somatropin following both methods of use were determined. When given by subcutaneous injection, somatropin has a similar but moderately higher level of bioavailability (75% vs. 63%). The rate of drug metabolism following both routes was also very similar, with somatropin displaying a half-life of approximately 3.8 hours and 4.9 hours after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection, respectively. Baseline hormone levels are usually reached between 12 hours and 18 hours following injection, with the slower times seen with intramuscular use. Given the delayed rise in IGF-1 levels, however, which can remain elevated 24 hours after hGH injection, the metabolic activity of human growth hormone will outlast its actual levels in the body. Although drug absorption is acceptable by both methods of use, daily subcutaneous administration is generally regarded as the preferred method of using somatropin.”

Excerpt From: Llewellyn, William. “Anabolics.” iBooks.
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Still looking for my 2000 paper back book so I can share some info.

TweetThis book is from 2011. Llewelyn is my favorite author.


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TweetI do mine in the morning and 6 weeks is not worth taking it for the short of a time long term 1year and keep going

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Originally Posted by chemicallyengineered

I hate to be a dick but ;
“Somatropin may be given by either subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. During clinical studies, the pharmacokinetic properties of somatropin following both methods of use were determined. When given by subcutaneous injection, somatropin has a similar but moderately higher level of bioavailability (75% vs. 63%). The rate of drug metabolism following both routes was also very similar, with somatropin displaying a half-life of approximately 3.8 hours and 4.9 hours after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection, respectively. Baseline hormone levels are usually reached between 12 hours and 18 hours following injection, with the slower times seen with intramuscular use. Given the delayed rise in IGF-1 levels, however, which can remain elevated 24 hours after hGH injection, the metabolic activity of human growth hormone will outlast its actual levels in the body. Although drug absorption is acceptable by both methods of use, daily subcutaneous administration is generally regarded as the preferred method of using somatropin.”

Excerpt From: Llewellyn, William. “Anabolics.” iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

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With much respect to the notorious Llewellyn this info is invalid,

You may check out here some basic info on the pharmacokinetics of Somatropin - https://www.rxlist.com/saizen-drug/cl...armacology.htm -

Metabolism

The metabolic fate of somatropin involves classical protein catabolism in both the liver and kidneys. In renal cells, at least a portion of the breakdown products is returned to the systemic circulation. The mean half-life of intravenous somatropin in normal males is around 0.6 hours, whereas subcutaneously and intramuscularly administered somatropin has a half-life of around 2 hours. The longer half-life observed after subcutaneous or intramuscular administration is due to slow absorption from the injection site.

The basic notion I'm familiar with GH administration relies on the fact that supposedly there is a limit to the ability of the liver (and other organs such as kidneys and most important muscle cells) so secrete IGF1 and other growth factor as a result to exposure to GH administration, so most users split the daily dosage.
However based on some extensive experience we gathered (We market the Somastim) is that actually with low to moderate dosages of 2-8iu a day the highest IGF1 serum tests is achieved with one daily dosage