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Originally Posted by guns01

no dont use t3 with gh. like i already said before gh surpresses t3 so by adding in t3 you would further surpress t3. now by adding in t4 like i said you will crank up your natural production of t3. here is the breakdown for those paying attention: t4 stimulates your own body to produce t3 which the gh is knocking down a bit. now adding to t3 to which is already surpressed will signal to the thyroid gland that you have more circulating which will tell it to shut it down even further. so by using t4 as opposed to t3 you are tricking your body into producing what it needs as opposed to further shutting it down.

same thing goes with slin. your body becomes slin resistant while using gh. so adding in a little extra slin to replace what it isnt producing is the opposite of t3/t4 because we dont have a compound that will trick the body into producing exta slin safely

well i did not know that aty all i thought t-4 made ur thyroid work hardr so rixion ignore my suggestion please

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Originally Posted by guns01

no dont use t3 with gh. like i already said before gh surpresses t3 so by adding in t3 you would further surpress t3. now by adding in t4 like i said you will crank up your natural production of t3. here is the breakdown for those paying attention: t4 stimulates your own body to produce t3 which the gh is knocking down a bit. now adding to t3 to which is already surpressed will signal to the thyroid gland that you have more circulating which will tell it to shut it down even further. so by using t4 as opposed to t3 you are tricking your body into producing what it needs as opposed to further shutting it down.

same thing goes with slin. your body becomes slin resistant while using gh. so adding in a little extra slin to replace what it isnt producing is the opposite of t3/t4 because we dont have a compound that will trick the body into producing exta slin safely

Thanks for clarifying guns brother.

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Originally Posted by MOUNTAIN-MAN

well i did not know that aty all i thought t-4 made ur thyroid work hardr so rixion ignore my suggestion please

Thanks always goo to learn from the big guns eh, :-)

TweetI hate reading thing about people messin with thyroid but I know it is all part of this. Fuzo was thinking of adding t3 and he will NOT be doing that. T4...I can help him with that one. Guns how much and what would the protocol be for t4 with gh?

TweetI will continue to discourage fuzo from using any ant thyroid med but it is his choice in the end .

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Originally Posted by BABY1

I hate reading thing about people messin with thyroid but I know it is all part of this. Fuzo was thinking of adding t3 and he will NOT be doing that. T4...I can help him with that one. Guns how much and what would the protocol be for t4 with gh?

I think you worry to much baby as everyone does especially women ;-)
I believe it is safer than it is made out to be and just like slin if you follow proper protocol you will be fine and not affect natural production. There was a post here a few years back on exactly that, where ppl were falsely prescribed thyroid for years I believe and they all returned to normal production and to this day I have not read any studies that suggest the opposite, if you have any post them up for everyone to read please. I already tale synthroid and have since I was about 17 so I don't worry to much but still taper correctly and follow due diligence.
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TweetMy worrying days are over..of course I know Fuzo better than anyone and this is not something he needs. Like anything is one is willing to take risks just be prepared that there may be consequences.

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Originally Posted by BABY1

I hate reading thing about people messin with thyroid but I know it is all part of this. Fuzo was thinking of adding t3 and he will NOT be doing that. T4...I can help him with that one. Guns how much and what would the protocol be for t4 with gh?

unless their is an underlying issue him using t4 shouldnt cause any issues with surpressing his natural production of t3. this is why people with thyroids not producing enough t3 the doc will try t4 first instead of t4 so they can try to get the body to do it rather than putting in external t3. now the normal breakdown is double t4 equals half the output of t3. so 50mcg will produce roughly 25mcg of t4. most will go with between 50-100mcg of t4 to bump up their levels of t3 to aid in what the gh is doing. i personally would much rather see someone using t4 instead of t3 so it is their bodies getting tricked into putting it out as opposed to replacing it with something all together

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Originally Posted by guns01

unless their is an underlying issue him using t4 shouldnt cause any issues with surpressing his natural production of t3. this is why people with thyroids not producing enough t3 the doc will try t4 first instead of t4 so they can try to get the body to do it rather than putting in external t3. now the normal breakdown is double t4 equals half the output of t3. so 50mcg will produce roughly 25mcg of t4. most will go with between 50-100mcg of t4 to bump up their levels of t3 to aid in what the gh is doing. i personally would much rather see someone using t4 instead of t3 so it is their bodies getting tricked into putting it out as opposed to replacing it with something all together

WEll I know it is being used for a different reason amongst bodybuilding but for the reason I have been prescribed t4 it does jack shit for the issue and this is why I have it sitting in my cabinet. I am one who would benefit from both t4 and t3 such as Armour thyroid but docs don't like to prescribe it.

I will mention what you said to Fuzo about the t4, thanks guns

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Originally Posted by guns01

unless their is an underlying issue him using t4 shouldnt cause any issues with surpressing his natural production of t3. this is why people with thyroids not producing enough t3 the doc will try t4 first instead of t4 so they can try to get the body to do it rather than putting in external t3. now the normal breakdown is double t4 equals half the output of t3. so 50mcg will produce roughly 25mcg of t4. most will go with between 50-100mcg of t4 to bump up their levels of t3 to aid in what the gh is doing. i personally would much rather see someone using t4 instead of t3 so it is their bodies getting tricked into putting it out as opposed to replacing it with something all together

I was getting ready to pick up some t4 and do some research but since you seem to like talking about it so much I figure I'll just ask you hahaha. Is the 100mcg T4 taken ED/ indefinitely while you're running HGH? or do you cycle it, or only do it eod, or 5 days a week or...... ?

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Originally Posted by gusto77

I was getting ready to pick up some t4 and do some research but since you seem to like talking about it so much I figure I'll just ask you hahaha. Is the 100mcg T4 taken ED/ indefinitely while you're running HGH? or do you cycle it, or only do it eod, or 5 days a week or...... ?

ed while rocking the gh, once you stop the gh you continue the t4 for about 3-4wks then drop it off and you should balance out pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by BABY1

WEll I know it is being used for a different reason amongst bodybuilding but for the reason I have been prescribed t4 it does jack shit for the issue and this is why I have it sitting in my cabinet. I am one who would benefit from both t4 and t3 such as Armour thyroid but docs don't like to prescribe it.

I will mention what you said to Fuzo about the t4, thanks guns

yeah when you have an underlying thyroid issue they will give the 4 a try first and if nadda then it will be they will go with the combo t4/t3 then if that is a no dicer they will just go with the t3 for good. sucks having thyroid issues cause 9 out of 10 times it isnt correctable except for continued t3 use and blood work pretty frequently

TweetI have hashimotos thyroiditis. Taking t4 or t3 does nothing to help it. Thyroid antibodies attack the thyroid. I try to control it with diet