I gained a lot from slin. But never touched it til i was 36. And been on AAS FOR nearly 20 yrs. hgh 6+. Plus igf for 4-5 years. I researched slin for well over 2 years b4 I actually took it. Besides my 2 good friends are 1 a ifbb pro and 1 a vet with slin and hgh. No games with slin. Id recommend no one takes slin without being at genetic max. Over 35. And VERY s educated. As well as ready to make it a lifestyle. Not just a gym rat. Theres plenty of peptides that can n will make u grow. Without a lot of negative effects. Igf-1/lr3 can do amazing things. Just got to get real product.