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Well, I just want to throw my opinion in, and I emphasize that it is my opinion. Both parties are virtually the same nowadays, they don't care about the country per se, they care about staying in office and keeping their party in control. Both parties have been guilty of the destruction of this country. We've been on a path of self destruction for decades now, and it's only getting worse. And until we reign in spending, it doesn't matter who is in control. No military is going to take over our nation, all they have to do is wait for our economy to collapse, and that is more than just what party is in control. The government is too big and too expensive, and with the banks and the fed running things we're doomed. Now I'm not going to entertain anything about "Well Obama is making it worse!" dem this, liberal that. We all know he's making it worse, and maybe he thinks he's doing the right things, which clearly he's not. Maybe he's trying, who knows? But like I said, it's not a difference in the two parties because they are both equally to blame, and neither one is going to just come in and fix things. It's taken decades to cause our problems, and it will take decades to fix them. What we need is strong economic conservatism and freedoms, a good strong free market and less government bureaucracy and intervention. Also we need a good non interventionist foreign policy and more diplomacy. Whatever, I'm kind of rambling now and completely forgot what my point was.
YEAH ITS BEEN LIKE THAT BUT NOT ANYMORE AS SOON AS THE REPUBLICANS START GETTING THE MAJORITY BACK AND GET A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AGAIN WE WILL TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND WE WILL NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE WE MADE YEARS AGO.THE REPUBLOCANS SCREWD THEMSELVES BUT WONT DO IT ANYMORE NOT AFTER THIS SCUM BAG PRESIDENT
Well, I just want to throw my opinion in, and I emphasize that it is my opinion. Both parties are virtually the same nowadays, they don't care about the country per se, they care about staying in office and keeping their party in control. Both parties have been guilty of the destruction of this country. We've been on a path of self destruction for decades now, and it's only getting worse. And until we reign in spending, it doesn't matter who is in control. No military is going to take over our nation, all they have to do is wait for our economy to collapse, and that is more than just what party is in control. The government is too big and too expensive, and with the banks and the fed running things we're doomed. Now I'm not going to entertain anything about "Well Obama is making it worse!" dem this, liberal that. We all know he's making it worse, and maybe he thinks he's doing the right things, which clearly he's not. Maybe he's trying, who knows? But like I said, it's not a difference in the two parties because they are both equally to blame, and neither one is going to just come in and fix things. It's taken decades to cause our problems, and it will take decades to fix them. What we need is strong economic conservatism and freedoms, a good strong free market and less government bureaucracy and intervention. Also we need a good non interventionist foreign policy and more diplomacy. Whatever, I'm kind of rambling now and completely forgot what my point was.
Wow that was well said! You are exactly right.......in my opinion of course, which I believe to be a fact.
I'll say this yes the republicans blew it when they had the chance to make it better back then but you can bet your ass that when the republicans get back in conrol they will not blow it again and will turn this country around for the better and that will be a fact
Well, I just want to throw my opinion in, and I emphasize that it is my opinion. Both parties are virtually the same nowadays, they don't care about the country per se, they care about staying in office and keeping their party in control. Both parties have been guilty of the destruction of this country. We've been on a path of self destruction for decades now, and it's only getting worse. And until we reign in spending, it doesn't matter who is in control. No military is going to take over our nation, all they have to do is wait for our economy to collapse, and that is more than just what party is in control. The government is too big and too expensive, and with the banks and the fed running things we're doomed. Now I'm not going to entertain anything about "Well Obama is making it worse!" dem this, liberal that. We all know he's making it worse, and maybe he thinks he's doing the right things, which clearly he's not. Maybe he's trying, who knows? But like I said, it's not a difference in the two parties because they are both equally to blame, and neither one is going to just come in and fix things. It's taken decades to cause our problems, and it will take decades to fix them. What we need is strong economic conservatism and freedoms, a good strong free market and less government bureaucracy and intervention. Also we need a good non interventionist foreign policy and more diplomacy. Whatever, I'm kind of rambling now and completely forgot what my point was.
My favorite Bush fact is that while he went wild in war he allowed a 36,000% increase in ear marks,, yeah you read the % correctly.
Trip, please understand that I am not a Bush fan. The last good president (not perfect) imo was Reagan. I am a libertarian, and thus don't believe in big government period. I believe in the most limited form of government imaginable. Bush increased the deficit, there is no doubting that. Additionally, Obama has increased the deficit an insane amount and with no end in sight. I mean, this man doesn't stop. He just allows the Fed to keep creating money out of thin air as if it doesn't have to be paid back. The problem with Obama is that he is an elitist and academic with no real world experience. He has never held a private job in his life.
You claim to only care about the facts, well then you should realize that the recession was caused by a housing boom-bust cycle that was started during the Clinton administration and Barney Franks fat as*. I agree that Bush kept it going too, but both were at fault. The dems wanted everyone to enjoy the American dream thus pressured banks to lower their lone standards. That is it in a nutshell. Go talk to any fair minded economist. Fortunately my brother is free market economics professor, thus I get to engage in these types of conversations with professionals on a regular basis. You sound like an intelligent man though so I believe either you understand this already or will come to realize it if you research it.
The Iraq war...............well, I didn't agree with it. I was sitting in my room in Korea when I heard the news we were going into Iraq and the only thought my friends and I had was WTF for. It shocked us all. It also changed life for us in Korea. Then, I got back from Korea and less than 4 months after arriving home and in the middle of a divorce (due to Korea 1 yr tour) I was sent to Iraq. I didn't mind it though because I knew we were fighting a brutal enemy. Whether I agreed with the War or not, I swore an oath to serve my country. I have seen Iraq make significant changes, and I do believe the Bush admin did a decent job fighting that war. I say decent because there is too much BS with the way we fight. We can not shoot at an enemy until they shoot at us first. Try to put yourself in that situation. You have surveillance of a guy setting up mortar tubes and preparing to shoot at the compound, but you have to wait until he shoots and not sound an alarm, meaning someone may get killed, and then after he has fired the mortars or rockets you can shoot back. It is pathetic the way we fight wars. Either go all in or get all out.
After my next trip to Iraq or Afghanistan I will give you an update on my opinion of Obama's war strategy. Also, don't believe that pulling troops out that Obama claimed to do. I do not believe for a minute that will happen, just like I knew Guantanamo Bay would not be closed down in 1 year.
My main point is that all politicians are pathetic egotistical, power seeking, elitist, pathological liars. They do not care about me or you or anyone else on this planet other than their own families perhaps. Democrats and Republicans are after the same thing, which is bigger government. Yet if I had to choose between Obama and Bush the decision is an easy one. I would take Bush any day over Obama. I think Obama is another Jimmy Carter, even worse. People say give him a chance, I say he has already blown his chance. He has proved in less than a year that he is a radical with no concern of the private sector. He does not understand the simple solution to a recession, which is leave it alone, the market will correct itself. It was government involvement and the Fed that created this recessions so why should we think the government will get us out. They practice Keynesian economics which is a proven failure. They need to go study the Ludwig von Mises institute and take a lesson in Austrian economics.
Well, the thing is your enemy already knows, because being in country you communicate with locals, who report everything you do to them.
The first Bush, cut the military to the core, it was the peace dividend, they let go trained officers, closed bases, etc. Then the first Iraq war hit, which was only accomplished by calling up every national guardsman on hand, and going home early. After that win, the demobolization continued, Clinton was following thru on a policy already well in place for 4 years.
This of course was extremely short sighted because a major war breaks out every ten years on average. (just like financial crisis's) That did not happen in the 80's to us, where we participated to any degree, yet, it was going on in Afghan, when the Soviet union went Bankrupt the war stopped, and thus they put in the peace dividend, and u went approximately 12 years and then..............so, from the get go you had 15 years of downsizing.
Which is why Rumsfeld, promised to do it all for 50 billion, because it was a feasible do-able number, and why the fired the army guy who said we needed 500k troops to do it right, and why Powell wasn't too keen on it.
And now we are where we are at. You say you don't have the equipment, which is horrendously sad, yet, again, this is extremely common in protracted wars, any and all wars.
Again my basic premise was that Obama will not allow afghan to bankrupt us, plain and simple, that is the message.
Hate Motivates, gosh i know you hate him, just saying there are always two sides to the street.
9-11 happened on Bushs watch, so that's revisionist history. One more time, Bind Laden declared war on us in 96, Bush was given all the intel when he took office, he brushed it off repeatedly even though it is documented every agency tried to push the point with him, that is all in the 9-11 hearings.
I'm not arguing likes or dislikes, just what I see, and what I know.
Yesterday I thought Obama again proved himself short-sighted, all he needed was a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BANNER, behind him in Allentown.
They are talking 170 billion in new stimulus, 100 B for more help to states for unemployment and other bs programs, and 70B for infrastructure, which won't build anything new, just keep states somehwat close on maintenance of existing infrastructure.
Here are some sobering facts, 1.5 million people will enter the workforce, ie, graduates over the next 5 years, we have 10-17 million unemployed, take your statistical pick. Based on a 20 year leveraged economy we produced x amount of jobs per month, right now we are back too year 2000 employment levels.
If you know X, you can figure out factually what the future holds and what needs to be done to get unemployment down.
Now, is that a bush legacy or someone else's or all or our problems.
My favorite Bush fact is that while he went wild in war he allowed a 36,000% increase in ear marks,, yeah you read the % correctly.
JSJS24 THANKS MAN FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY
QUOTE-Anyway, it is not worth arguing over any longer. I have my opinion and you have yours. But I have lived and breathed the military for the last 10 years.- QUOTE
Tell trip like it is with this scum bag president this is worth arguing over these liberls want to have there way and make this country look weak and screw up our economy and keep evryone on gov assistance for a free ride thats what blojama is all about
First, thank you for your service. As to the rest, you would think this would be common sense, especially from the president. But alas it is not!
Thank you for that Cytec and Trip. I'm sure there are a lot of others on this board who serve or have served too and my thanks goes out to them as well.
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Re: WORST SPEECH EVER BY A PRESIDENT
First, thank you for your service. As to the rest, you would think this would be common sense, especially from the president. But alas it is not!
Trip, I respect your opinion and perception of how war is fought. However, you have a grave misunderstanding. I assure you the Taliban and Al Qaeda pray on learning our objectives. I was in Afghanistan in 2005 when the Taliban attacks on us surged. Rockets, mortars, and small arms fire started out of nowhere. One of our officers in charge said intel believed it was from moving most of the troops to Iraq and in the mean time the Taliban regrouped, recruited, and trained. Then, they hit us hardcore. This summer I was in Iraq and they pulled all of our troops back in from the cities to the bases and guess what started to happen? They attacked us because they knew that we were not allowed to go off base and fight back except under approval of Iraqi Commanders, which is BS.
My point is that you don't ever tell your enemy what you are going to do. I wouldn't even tell them how many troops we are sending. You surprise the heck out of them and hit them hard. If you think Obama has a clue about how to fight a war then you are sadly mistaken. And by the way, I work with 4 different infantry divisions and if you mention Obama's name the overwhelming response is negative. I don't know of any guys in my units that like the new president except for a few obvious exceptions. This doesn't mean they don't respect the office and follow orders, but no democrat President is liked by the troops for the most part, of course there are a few who vote dem. The morale goes down even lower, and the money we get is decreased significantly. I remember a retired E-9 I worked with a few years ago telling me that the worst 8 years of his career were the ones with Clinton as President because they had no money to buy and equipment or tools to fix equipment. Interestingly, my unit is already in that position....they are broke! And we are an intel surveilance unit. Anyway, it is not worth arguing over any longer. I have my opinion and you have yours. But I have lived and breathed the military for the last 10 years.
thanks for your service, i can't imagine the stress and strain you guys have been under
I happen to agree with you on the one point, we should have carpet bombed and carpet bombed and carpet bombed from day one.
I disagree on time issue thing, yes it is not normal to give out strategy, yet, in this instance everyone knows exactly what everyone is doing. The time line is because it puts pressure on Karside and Pakistan and others, to get in line, if you do you are rewarded, if not we are gone because we will not bankrupt us of a, over this. This is the message we here, my guess is it is different on the ground as time wears on.
A basic military tenet is if you don't move, you lose, ie, you become sitting ducks. That is one of the basic problems of the last 50 years in wars, no where to go, no big win to put everything behind it, and the spoils are not much, thus, the thinking has been new weapons will triumph and it will be different this time. One of the reasons for the Vietnam war was the belief that the newly built Air Cavalry, ie, helicopters would make us superior in war, which they did, yet, we know the outcome of that one.
Trip, I respect your opinion and perception of how war is fought. However, you have a grave misunderstanding. I assure you the Taliban and Al Qaeda pray on learning our objectives. I was in Afghanistan in 2005 when the Taliban attacks on us surged. Rockets, mortars, and small arms fire started out of nowhere. One of our officers in charge said intel believed it was from moving most of the troops to Iraq and in the mean time the Taliban regrouped, recruited, and trained. Then, they hit us hardcore. This summer I was in Iraq and they pulled all of our troops back in from the cities to the bases and guess what started to happen? They attacked us because they knew that we were not allowed to go off base and fight back except under approval of Iraqi Commanders, which is BS.
My point is that you don't ever tell your enemy what you are going to do. I wouldn't even tell them how many troops we are sending. You surprise the heck out of them and hit them hard. If you think Obama has a clue about how to fight a war then you are sadly mistaken. And by the way, I work with 4 different infantry divisions and if you mention Obama's name the overwhelming response is negative. I don't know of any guys in my units that like the new president except for a few obvious exceptions. This doesn't mean they don't respect the office and follow orders, but no democrat President is liked by the troops for the most part, of course there are a few who vote dem. The morale goes down even lower, and the money we get is decreased significantly. I remember a retired E-9 I worked with a few years ago telling me that the worst 8 years of his career were the ones with Clinton as President because they had no money to buy and equipment or tools to fix equipment. Interestingly, my unit is already in that position....they are broke! And we are an intel surveilance unit. Anyway, it is not worth arguing over any longer. I have my opinion and you have yours. But I have lived and breathed the military for the last 10 years.
You keep saying hate motivates I hate this man because of his policies and lies.liberals are so friggin wrong on this issue and there going to lose big time in the 2010 election. Also liberals always have to bring up bush you liberals and this bush thing is disgusting. And carter was a ***** like blojama this moron lets our americans stay hostage for how long.
So, Bush disgraces the white house
again more liberal spew bush kept us safe and why is it trip that you and your liberla screw ups dont want to admit that it was the democratic controled congress that passed bush's stuff,congress not bush but the liberal democratic congress but yet you friggin liberals want to bame bush.Take head out of ass to see the day lite please
thanks for your service, i can't imagine the stress and strain you guys have been under
I happen to agree with you on the one point, we should have carpet bombed and carpet bombed and carpet bombed from day one.
I disagree on time issue thing, yes it is not normal to give out strategy, yet, in this instance everyone knows exactly what everyone is doing. The time line is because it puts pressure on Karside and Pakistan and others, to get in line, if you do you are rewarded, if not we are gone because we will not bankrupt us of a, over this. This is the message we here, my guess is it is different on the ground as time wears on.
A basic military tenet is if you don't move, you lose, ie, you become sitting ducks. That is one of the basic problems of the last 50 years in wars, no where to go, no big win to put everything behind it, and the spoils are not much, thus, the thinking has been new weapons will triumph and it will be different this time. One of the reasons for the Vietnam war was the belief that the newly built Air Cavalry, ie, helicopters would make us superior in war, which they did, yet, we know the outcome of that one.
Anyways, right now it's drones drones drones, imho, gates and mackaskill believe that if the energy and effort are put into afghan like iraq, there is a CHANCE.......
The prompter, oh wow, so he had one, i watched it and it was a simple, clear, speech of only about 20 minutes, anyone who gives speeches regularly and cares about it will memorize it because it is several times more effective if you look at people versus a prompter, i watched his face and eyes, and IMHO, it may have been there for security reason yet my opinion is if he looked at it 10% of time I'd be surprised.
Fuzo,
Here's another one for you, blowjame, lol, saysa I listen too all ideas and will adopt the good ones, well, cross border insurance is allowable, any insurance company can operate in any state they want to, the problem is each state has it's own insurance board and different requirements, so in a way it is allowed now, yet, insurance companies of which there were several hundred 25 years ago are now down too a hundred or so, so everyone just protects a terroitory, the republicans are correct we should have cross border, but to be effective and cost effective, there should be a few natnional plans, rules, so all stuff is the same, now this sticks the nose in states rights, yet, imho, it's a no brainer.
One more time, HATE MOTIVATES
this was my plan, strategy on the presidential election
Nixon disgusts people, a crook, populace votes in Carter, honest and religious.
During Carters watch the CIA f'nkg around in iran for 20 years finally pisses the folks off and they grab 500 american hostages. Carter sends in a rescue mission and the Helicopters fail because they are not geared for the physical conditions of sand, six soldiers die, Carter is branded incompetent.
Carter seen as incompetent, Regan get's in.
Regan does good, Bush comes in, no hate here folks, move along.
Bush, READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES, so he raises taxes and did not finish the war in Iraq, folks fear another Nixon, bush had oil background, so there's alot of BS going on with all of this, he also get's papered with having been CIA head, and all the crap came out of contra hearings. People fear enough, slight border on hate, not enough though.
1988 was the first real big push of shipping our jobs overseas, Ross Perot runs a campaign based on, THAT'S STUPID. Bubba jumps in the race. 43-38-23, he squeks it out. If perot hadn't run, Bush would have won.
So, Bush disgraces the white house, people are incensed, the mannequin Gore doesn't say jack shyte about the whole fiasco. Bush II jumps in, well maybe bushes weren't that bad after all. Major Hate, dems will not be rewarded for disgracing the white house.
Bush, f'cks it all up, everyone hates him. Now who will win?????
It was an easy call, so it was an interesting race because people wanted to be on one side, the timing was right, could they do it. they did it.
I watch, I observe, I try and figure out a theme of why, and what is underlying things, pushing it forward that we do not see.
As I stated my present gut warning is saying our financial position is much more precarious then folks want to let on, because if you knew all the shyte, folks would shyte there pants. Thus, these guys have been dealt a really bad hand, and there believe is "time will heal all wounds"......................obviusly I do not believe that is the correct strategy............now, I could be wrong.........WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH DEBT AND NOT ENOUGH PROFITS TO SERVICE THE DEBT, AND WE ARE AN ECONOMY BUILT OVER 100 YEARS ON CHEAP ENERGY
hate motivates, and if change is needed and people don't change, change will be forced upon you
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