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      STOP DOING CARDIO BEFORE YOU WEIGHT TRAIN!


      It kills me every time I see it. One person after another shows up at the gym, raring to go. They check in at the front desk, put their gear away and make a beeline for the cardio equipment. Somewhere between 20 and 60 minutes later they drag themselves off that treadmill and on to the gym floor to start the weight training portion of their session. This may be the most common training mistake I have seen in roughly 15 years of training in gyms from New York to California. There are a number of reasons why this training sequence can not only minimize your results but also holds the potential for injury.

      Let's make a few things clear before we get started. If you want to warm up by doing 5 minutes of cardio before you hit the weights, power to you. If it makes you feel better prepared to train hard and get the most out of your weight training, great. In colder climates, especially with the fall and winter seasons upon us, this may even be advisable. But remember, we're talking about a cardio warm-up before training, not a cardio session aimed at burning fat. That will come after you train, not before, if you are sequencing the workout properly.

      NUTRITIONAL REASONS
      Ever heard that you will burn more fat if you do cardio on an empty stomach? Wrong. You will burn more fat if you are depleted of carbohydrates when you do cardio. Protein and dietary fats don't affect the equation. If you wanted to, and it didn't bother your stomach, you could drink a high protein/very low carb protein drink or eat a chicken breast or a piece of lean red meat minutes before you started cardio and you'd still burn the same amount of fat. But, if you have a piece of fruit or a cup of rice before that same session, you won't.

      When you eat carbohydrates, the body stores them in the form of glycogen in your liver. Then, as you need to use them for energy, the glycogen stores are used until they are depleted. The problem is that the body will not burn fat until the glycogen stores are depleted. In other words, until you burn all your stored carbs, the body will not turn to your fat stores for energy and no fat will be burned. Now for the really bad news. Studies have indicated that it can take as much as 29 minutes of cardiovascular activity to deplete your glycogen stores. So, when you did that 30 minute cardio session after eating carbs sometime within several hours of beginning the session, you burned fat for a whopping minute--ONE MINUTE.

      Does that mean that the session was a total waste of time. No. There are two benefits to cardiovascular work. In addition to burning fat, you elevate your metabolism every time you do cardio, which enhances your body's ability to metabolize food and burn fat for several hours after the session. You'll get that benefit regardless of whether your glycogen stores are full or depleted. But, if you are going to spend the time doing cardio in the first place, why settle for only half the benefit? You're going to work just as hard and spend just as much time either way.

      While glycogen (carbs) will deprive you of the full benefit of your cardio, it has the opposite effect on working with the weights. Remember that the benefits to weight training are building/maintaining lean muscle tissue and elevated metabolism. This is anaerobic activity, not aerobic activity like cardio. Therefore, you don't weight train to burn bodyfat. Rather, you do it to build muscle.

      When you weight train (anaerobic activity), the body's preferred energy source that enables you to train hard and be and stay strong for the workout is--you guessed it--carbohydrate. So, if you train before you do cardio, the glycogen necessary for productive workouts is both available and used. As you train the glycogen is used for energy and depleted. Ah! Depleted glycogen. Exactly where you want to be when you start cardio (aerobic activity) so that you can BURN FAT!

      PRACTICAL REASONS
      In addition to the nutritional reasons we've covered, there are other practical considerations that dictate doing your weight training before your cardio. Have you heard about or witnessed many people injuring themselves walking on a treadmill or stairmaster or riding a bike? Me neither. In the grand scheme of things, cardio may be tedious at times, but the risk of injury is pretty slim. Now, how many times have you seen or heard someone talk about pulling this or that or experiencing some discomfort because of something they did while weight training? Hopefully not too often, but a helluva lot more than with cardio. So, you'd have to agree that between the two, there is a greater risk of injury with weight training than there is with cardio. Given that fact, doesn't it make the most sense to weight train when you are in your freshest, strongest condition, both physically and mentally? Obviously, you are going to be in that peak condition when you get to the gym, not after you've done cardio for a half-hour or more at a high enough heart rate to burn fat.

      The bottom line: Weight train first, when you have everything in your favor. You'll be mentally and physically fresher and stronger. You'll be in the ideal physiological environment as a result of your nutrition and appropriate use of your glycogen stores for the activities your're engaging in and the respective benefits they
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      Default Re: STOP DOING CARDIO BEFORE YOU WEIGHT TRAIN!

      yep...see it all the time! then....they complain about crappy weight gain.
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      That was one of the biggest hurdles that had to be overcome when talking to people about personal training - we explained the sessions were weight training first then cardio.
      Nearly every plebian said they want and like doing cardio first - MORONS!!
      It wasn't easy but sometimes it just had to be said - look at me...and look at you...
      Do you want a lean physique or to stay soft and fluffy!!??!!??



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      I try to never mention the 'C' word

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      It's mostly women who do this. I've explained this to two women at my gym who want to get leaner and yet they won't listen to me. One of them has a group training certificate so she thinks she is an expert, but yet complains about her arms jiggling.
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      Sometimes it depends on the circumstances really, and what that person's goals and just what they are trying to accomplish with there training.
      There isn't any special magic in exercise order, but some reasons it may matter have to do with the available energy for exercise, the causes of muscle fatigue, and the risk of injury during exercise. In general, exercise you perform when you have adequate energy is performed at a higher intensity with more focus and efficiency. Exercise you perform when your energy supplies are low is less effective and more likely to result in injury.

      Exercise order may also matter if you are trying to achieve a specific goal, such as building muscle or improving sports skills, or if you have an extremely high level of fitness already.

      Most recreational athletes can avoid this question altogether by doing cardio and weight training on different days. Another option is to do both endurance and strength training at the same time with interval training or circuit training routines that give a full-body workout in limited time.

      If Your Goal is Improving Overall Health~
      To improve overall health, it really doesn't matter if you lift weights first or do endurance training first. In fact, you can do both at the same time with interval training or circuit training routines or you can alternate weight lifting and endurance days if you prefer.
      If Your Goal is Increasing Cardiovascular Endurance~
      In order to build and maintain cardiovascular endurance, you should perform endurance exercise first, when you have plenty of energy for long-distance exercise. Add resistance exercises 2 to 3 times a week, either after or separate from the endurance work in order to develop muscular strength and reduce your risk of injury. Lifting prior to running is not recommended because you increase your risk of injury due to muscle fatigue.
      If Your Goal is Increasing Muscle Size and Strength~
      Increasing muscle size can best be accomplished by lifting weights first when the body's main source of energy for muscle contraction (glycogen) is high. If you do a hard cardio workout before lifting, you deplete glycogen, which makes the workout ineffective.
      If Your Goal is Burning Calories for Fat Loss~
      If your primary goal is to burn as many calories as you can in a single session, it's probably best to do cardio first and lift weights next. There isn't any magic behind this; it's simply easier for most people to burn more calories per exercise session when they do cardio first. However, almost any combination of burning more calories while eating fewer will result in fat loss.

      Some people achieve significant weight loss exclusively though dietary changes; others do it simply through weight training. Weight lifting definitely burns calories; in fact, it often burns more calories per minute than performing endurance exercise. The problem is that most people fatigue quickly when lifting weights, and therefore cannot perform the exercise as long as they can walk, bike or use an elliptical machine. The end result is that the total calories burned per exercise session tends to be higher for those who do endurance exercise first, simply because the can exercise longer.

      Ultimately, the best way to lose body fat is to combine endurance exercise and resistance exercise and, of course, to make dietary changes.


      If Your Goal is to Improve Specific Sports Skills~~
      If you are training for a specific sport, you'll need to design your training to accommodate the needs of that sport. Whether you do resistance or endurance training first depends upon the requirements of the sport, your current level of fitness and your overall goals. If you aren't sure what is the best type of training for your sport, it's helpful to enlist the expertise of a coach or personal trainer.

      Elite athletes perform a specific exercise order that encompasses days, weeks and months. Sport-specific training follows the competitive season and is carefully designed so that athletes will "peak" at the height of the season. Their training builds from a general foundation of overall fitness and becomes focused on specific skills, movements and even psychological components in order to provide an edge over the competition. These programs look like a pyramid and cover the entire spectrum of fitness (strength, endurance, flexibility, agility, psychology, etc...) over the course of a season.

      IF YOUR GOAL is to be consistent and maintain an Exercise Program~
      In order to stick with exercise, it needs to fit into your daily routine and lifestyle. It also has to feel good to you. For this reason, it is helpful to pick the type of exercise, the order of exercise and the time of exercise according to what works the best for your body. You may be naturally inclined to feel best if you do endurance exercise first and then do weights. You may also find that your body responds best when you lift weights at one time of the day and go for a run at another. It's OK to let your body, mood or interest determine when you exercise.


      Sometimes training can really be physiologically incorrect, but that doesn't always mean its necessarily wrong~



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      alright well i have a question on this paticular subject... i am about to start MMA training , to where id be doing cardio for one hour 4 days a wk.. and then hittin the gym afterwards because i have no choice sometimes because my job when im workin is from 7 am to 5:30 pm....and my classes start at 7:30 pm.. so sometimes ill have to weight train after my MMA training.... ill be doing a lean bulker for lbm, strength and endurance... is that gonna hurt me? or will the aas help me recoup and be able to train.. ill be using t-bol, prop, var, winny and halo and igf at the end to help maintain gains but i will be doing volume training.. what do yall think?

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      BR, I'm curious about your cycle you have put together, can you tell me the why's and what fors of what you have choosen? Most AAS do help with recoup, thats why we have to becareful not to over train while on, because alot of the time, several hours after training you start to feel like you didn't train hard enough, or long enough.
      I think your main focus should shift over to your recovery period and making sure you get in enough nutrients, at the right times. Make sure immediately following exercise you rehydrate to restore your electrolytes and water, as well as replenish your glycogen stores which will stimulate insulin. Insulin has 2 major factors, (1) It pushes glucose into muscle cells for added energy, and (2) It pushes protein into muscle cells for growth and recovery. That’s why protein needs to be added to the post-workout mix. In fact, adding protein even helps glycogen repletion.
      Immediately following exercise, a rebuilding process is triggered to repair muscle fibers damaged during exercise. Evidence suggests that insulin is a strong stimulus of this muscle rebuilding process; insulin facilitates glucose and amino acid transport into the muscle cells/fibers and it diminishes the breakdown of muscle protein. This interrelationship between glycogen replenishment, insulin, and muscle rebuilding is a cornerstone of muscle recovery. That’s why you’ve got to combine protein and carbs in a post-workout drink. Protein not only stimulates the replenishment of glycogen stores by activating insulin, but also provides the essential building blocks for muscle repair.

      Just be sure your following the right regimine with your training, especially since time is a factor for you.


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      mine will be MMA geared.. i sent you a pm with the supps and diet....if you want i can post the workout routine i am going to use...

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