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Originally Posted by guns01

i know exactly what you are saying. hell look at jose raymond. he won his class a bunch of times at nationals but wouldnt take the card because he didnt feel ready.

then go back and look at guys like trey brewer and all the other dudes that seemed to always land in 2d place year after year. some crazy quality across the board. now these fuckers like i said can turn pro and never won their class at the local regional state or national level. it's a freaking joke. only reason i still chase the dream is because i enjoy the process and it keeps me somewhat healthy. i know i will never turn pro but i still have fun bumping elbows on stage here and there at all levels

It's still a great sport and I love it but the last contest I did was the NPC USA, came in 6th). I was only a middleweight so I knew I wasn't making any money bodybuilding but that damn pro card was so hard to get it made you strive for it. If it was now. I could have half assed it a few more years, took second somewhere and been a pro.
I'm not sure how old you guys are but back then there were some awesome, big name bodybuilders who it took forever to finally get a pro card. Craig Titus was one, although being a murder kind of trumps that, Beau Matlock like I said Dexter. Won his class at USA but not the overall, no pro card. Then he went to nationals and somehow placed 7th.Even Ronnie Coleman, look how long it took him.