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Originally Posted by smalls1

Yes

They, really should not even need to create a new name. It's the judging criteria that needed to be changed. I did pretty well, even in NPC National level contests in the 90s when all there was was bodybuilding. I was not a guy able to carry a tremendous amount of muscle but I was usually the hardest and most proportionate and symmetrical in the top 5. Also, usually one of the smallest muscle mass wise. In four national level contests I did I finished 3rd, 3rd, 2cnd then I finished 6th in the USA. Just missed 5th by 2 points I think and it was Danny Hester who came in 5th.I can't believe he's still at it, because he was older than me. He has to be 50 at least now. The guy who won is the only other I remember. Jesus Christ Jonny Stewart. To this day I swear he somehow beat the weigh-in. We needed to be under 176 and a quarter. This dude looked like a damn heavyweight. Of course he won right away just because he was so much bigger than anyone else. Did I think he looked the best and should have won? No, but I knew he would because that was how they judged.
If they are going to continue to judge that way then classic physique is a great Idea. If they had it then I definitly would have been competing there and not bodybuilding and most likely doing much better.
If you look at a picture of Flex Wheeler from, I believe, the 93 Arnold (think he looked his best ever in that contest), think it was 93.Anyway bodybuilding, Classic physique it didn't matter that was the most perfect physique I have ever seen to this day. Tremendous Muscle size but perfectly proportional and no gut whatsoever. That is what every Bodybuilder should shoot for. How he didn't win an Olympia I don't know. I still believe he was the best ever.

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Originally Posted by pgcc0313

They, really should not even need to create a new name. It's the judging criteria that needed to be changed. I did pretty well, even in NPC National level contests in the 90s when all there was was bodybuilding. I was not a guy able to carry a tremendous amount of muscle but I was usually the hardest and most proportionate and symmetrical in the top 5. Also, usually one of the smallest muscle mass wise. In four national level contests I did I finished 3rd, 3rd, 2cnd then I finished 6th in the USA. Just missed 5th by 2 points I think and it was Danny Hester who came in 5th.I can't believe he's still at it, because he was older than me. He has to be 50 at least now. The guy who won is the only other I remember. Jesus Christ Jonny Stewart. To this day I swear he somehow beat the weigh-in. We needed to be under 176 and a quarter. This dude looked like a damn heavyweight. Of course he won right away just because he was so much bigger than anyone else. Did I think he looked the best and should have won? No, but I knew he would because that was how they judged.
If they are going to continue to judge that way then classic physique is a great Idea. If they had it then I definitly would have been competing there and not bodybuilding and most likely doing much better.
If you look at a picture of Flex Wheeler from, I believe, the 93 Arnold (think he looked his best ever in that contest), think it was 93.Anyway bodybuilding, Classic physique it didn't matter that was the most perfect physique I have ever seen to this day. Tremendous Muscle size but perfectly proportional and no gut whatsoever. That is what every Bodybuilder should shoot for. How he didn't win an Olympia I don't know. I still believe he was the best ever.

that's how it should be and the criteria should be followed to a t but it isnt. not even freaking close. i have seen dudes win with huge 9 month prego bellies they couldnt control or even massive upper bodies with tiny legs not even close to matching. it's pathetic and the women's divisions are just as bad. they will end up ruining classic just like they did bodybuilding. just give it time and the lines will blur in the judging