Crazy Story and learning lesson!

[grdfreak]

TweetAs a previous bodybuilder when I was at work and we got a new employee I new right away he was ON. We instantly became friends and I am tring to help him out as much as possible. Seeing his size inspired me to get myself back to where I was before my friend died. But here's the downside of the illegalness of our sport, where I almost flipped out.

Turns out the gear he recieved was from a fellow gymmate, and it was an underground product produced in state. He is 21 and had previously taken a winny only cycle. He was turned on to the product by a fckin GYM DEALER. This guy sold him what he thought was eq and he didn't know what he was doing and the guy told him to just take it and he'll get big. All of this was of course before I knew him. Not only was this dude stupid for taking it and listening to the dealer but the dealer could care less of this person and his outcomes which bothered me even more. When he old me he was on he was on eq 1ml a week (with no test of course) and he didnt even know how many mgs of eq was in a ml. He was in his 4th week and said his nipple hurt and his dickkcouldnt get hard with his girlfriend. He had no idea what bromocriptin or tamoxifene was and or post cycle therapy, not that eq causes gyno but it was underground and eq is a close cousin of deca. So this person came right off the eq? because of his sex problem and I pointed him in the direction of some liquid pcts. I told him right off the bat when he told me what he was taking that he should have been using some knd of test. This person then comes to me yesterday and tells me that now he thought was eq could have actualy been deca, because he confronted the GYM DEALER and he told him it may have been deca. He is still having problems and said he is deathly afraid of taking gear again. I told him straight out you knew nothing! and shuld have known everything that was going to happen when you put that substance in your body, and you were justa paycheck for your b.s. dealer. My new employee friend now has gyno and has to get it removed. The cost 7000.00. The cost of this learning lesson to all other newbies....PRICELESS

ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO THE NEWBIES DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE THROWING DRUGS IN YOUR BODY. THESE 2 PEOPLE ARE BOTH EXAMPLES OF THE IRRESPONSIBLE ANABOLIC STEREOTYPES THAT WE GET IN OUR SOCIETY. ANABOLICS DO WORK AND THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THEM BUT IF YOU DONT DO YOUR RESEARCH PLAN ON HAVING COMPLICATIONS!MY ADVICE IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED ON HAND BEFORE YOUR FIRST PIN PUSH.

[SMILEY FACE]

Tweetgood post and rep for u

[supasaiyan99]

TweetGood post!

[HighBall5]

Tweeti bet he was glad he met you

[T-Man007]

TweetWow, people like that dealer really piss me off. That's what gives all the rest of us a bad name. That guy should have his ass beat. People need to know better than to just sell anything to anyone.

Also, can't your pro get on some proviron and nolva or aroma and nolva to get rid of the gyno. I had it and got rid of mine with nolva and proviron.

[TestRip7]

TweetALWAYS, ALWAYS do your homework. You will pay the price if you decide to put things into your body that you don't know what they are.

[pigmeat]

Tweetfyi, eq is not a "close cousin" of deca. Eq is a test dererative, and deca is a nor-test drug....completley diffrent.....but good story, too many people like that out there

[mick-G]

Tweet^yeah, lol that was what the prior debate was about we were having yrs ago. Hey, i don't mess with ppl at the gym. Ive had a few ppl ask inquiring questions, and i just tell them to take alot of protein and eat big, lol! If i even hear dudes talking about aas they usually have no clue what they are talking about.

[grdfreak]

TweetYea man this situation really bothered me. I never mentioned anything about ass until he started saying things that made me know he had no clue. I felt so bad for this dude. He would come into work and on his downtime would study the crap out of arnold and bodybuilding (his draws are filled with flex and other mags just like mine used to be) then when he told me he "expected he was going to put on weight" and told me he has been on eq and started with details, it was just downhill from there and I felt so bad to the point where I had to help him.

[grdfreak]

TweetYea it was the debate Mick. Hey I'm glad to see you still have that bad ass car in your avatar too. I always thought that eq was chemically similar to deca. But eq was always a subject I found differing information on. Even now; that was the first time I have ever heard that eq is a form or derivative of test.

[pigmeat]

TweetEquipoise
Equipoise was actually created while attempting to make a product which would be be a long acting injectable d-bol (Methandrostenolone). What was actually created was a product which, in the real world acts nothing like D-bol, despite it´s similarity to it chemically. A simple way to think of Equipoise, chemically at least, is simply as Dianabol without the 17-alpha-methyl group (that´s the thing which makes D-bol able to be ingested orally and not be destroyed by your liver). However, having had first hand experience with both Equipoise as well as D-bol, I can tell you that the results from each are vastly different.

To make Equipoise, a double bond was added between carbon atoms 1 and 2 of the Steran Nucleus of Testosterone. What does this mean? Well, first of all, since Equipoise was created by one simple modification in the testosterone molecule, you could rightly suspect that it shares many similarities with it. Equipoise is just as anabolic as testosterone (as you can tell by its anabolic rating above), but only half as androgenic. Those ratings can be quite deceiving though, as I don´t know anyone who would claim that you can gain as much weight on Equipoise as you can gain on an equal amount of testosterone (even though strength gains from the two compounds are very similar).

It´s not very common to compare Equipoise to testosterone; however& a far more common comparison is between Equipoise and Deca. I suspect this is because when Dan Duchaine introduced this compound to the steroid using community, he made an immediate comparison to Deca, speculating that it would act similarly to Deca but like a much stronger version of it. Equipoise doesn´t actually act much like deca at all; Deca is actually a progestin and a 19-nor derived steroid whereas Equipoise is more closely related to testosterone (being only one double bond differ rent). Duchaine later rescinded his original statement on Equipoise and said that it was disappointing as a mass builder when compared with deca, but a far better drug than for both strength gains and vascularity. Unfortunately, the myth that Equipoise´s action is similar to Deca´s has persisted for nearly 2 decades after he revised his opinion; this is most evident on internet message boards today, where many will advise against including both of them in a cycle because "they act the same way."

The 1-2 double bond that Equipoise has is responsible for many of its characteristics. First of all, it acts to slow aromatization (conversion into estrogen). The best estimate is that it does so at roughly half the rate of testosterone (1). This is the best number I´ve found in studies. Athletes almost never report estrogenic side effects with Equipoise, even when the dose is up to a gram per week. Side effects caused by estrogen include oily skin, acne, and gynocomastia, and as I said, those are usually not found from Equipoise. Virilization (development of male sexual characteristics in women) is almost never seen with this compound, when reasonable doses are used by female athletes. This is one of the few injectable compounds which could be successfully be used by female athletes and bodybuilders, and isn´t often faked.

Clinical Equipoise and Athletes
That double bond is also responsible for Equipoise´s resistance for being changed by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme (2)(3). This enzyme converts a small amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen (7x as anabolic as testosterone)(4). As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that it´s really of no concern to most athletes taking Equipoise. This factor, plus its low aromatization rate mean athletes don´t need to consider using ancillaries with Equipoise.

Athletes taking Equipoise often report a slow and constant buildup of quality muscle, and certainly this has been my experience with the drug. I would speculate that this slow buildup of muscle is due to the very long ester attached to the Boldenone; Undeclynate is a longer ester than the decanoate ester by one carbon. Thus, we could expect the accumulation of muscle from Equipoise to actually occur at a slightly slower rate than that found with Deca (nandrolone decanoate). This leads me to advise that if you are considering the use of Equipoise, you should consider using it for no less than 12 weeks. Equipoise, like deca, is also detectable in your system for a long time (although it is substantially less than deca´s detection time).

Strangely, shorter estered versions of Boldenone are available as well. Anecdotally, many people (and manufacturers) claim that this produces less water retention...but water retention from Equipoise is virtually unheard of, so I consider this to be a silly idea.

An informal poll I took on Steroid.com (as well as with my friends) seems to put the ideal dose of Equipoise at 600mgs/week. Most people I asked about their Equipoise experience with Equipoise seemed to think that using over 600mgs/week produced no additional results, but the jump from 400mgs/week to 600mgs/week produced noticeable additional gains, and thus was warranted. I have personally found very nice results from 400mgs-600mgs/week myself.

Equipoise Side Effects
One of the most pronounced effects in Equipoise is its ability to raise your RBC´s (red blood cells). This is very typical of anabolic steroids; however, Equipoise would appear to do it to a slightly greater degree than most. One of the other effects most Equipoise users report is an increased appetite. I can say that this is true of me, also; this factor makes it impossible for me to diet on it. It´s because of this ability to increase appetite that many will include Equipoise in a mass cycle, and it´s for the quality of muscle gained on it that many will include it in a cutting cycle. It´s probably the most versatile injectable compound, next to testosterone. People even use a low dosed version of Equipoise to blend with irritating injectable drugs suck as testosterone suspension or Propionate. I´m thinking of the old Ganabol version which was dosed at 50mgs/ml, here... it´s not that Equipoise is especially good to cut other steroids with, but the low dose and cost of Ganabol made it ideal to do this with, when sterile oil wasn´t available or desirable. This low dosed version was also very popular with women, who were comfortable shooting 1cc of this stuff every few days or every week.

Equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone, so I would also recommend using injectable testosterone in any cycle containing it. Failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides.



Equipoise Steroid Profile
Boldenone Undeclynate
(1,4-androstadiene-3-one,1 7b-ol)
Molecular Weight(base): 286.4132
Molecular Weight (ester): 186.2936
Formula (base): C19H26O2
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 200-600mgs/week
Effective Dose (Women): 50-100mgs/week
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: Up to 5 months
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50
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[grdfreak]

Tweetthanks so much pig! That cleared up alot

[T-Man007]

TweetHey PM,

Where did you get that info? I especially like the ana/andro ratio information. That's very helpful in setting up the right cycle, IMO. I would like to look up all the aas I have and see what their ratios are. Thanks.

T

[solidground]

Tweet^ aas profile https://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=58111

[6p6]

Tweetthis is why myths about AAS use are perpetuated in our society...ignorant guys like this who just want to get big and ruin themselves....I'm sure we all can tell similar stories about friends, coworkers, gym rats that have made similar mistakes...

...this is where we come in...to help educate 1st ourselves and 2nd assist others in thier education/AAS developement.