Clen vs. Ephedra

[Enantato]

TweetWhich would you prefer and why?

[FUZO]

TweetTHERES A DEBATE,PERSONALY I LIKE THEM BOTH.CLEN GIVES ME THE SHAKES,EPHEDRA DOESNT.THEY BOTH WORK FOR ME THOUGH.2WEEKS CLEN 2 WEEKS EPHEDRA

[Got Gear?]

TweetI like both about the same.

Clen gives annoying shakes... ECA keeps me awake at night. They both have about the same end results for me. So I guess it's kind of a tossup.

[rado]

TweetThey both do a great job, but clen has my upper vote. Much stronger and burns fat betetr.

Clen;

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.


Ephedra;

Ephedra energizers or supplements in multiple varieties are the most well-known ephedra products right now. Usually they come as capsules or pills. These cannot be used without warnings and restrictions. In order to profit most of these products and to keep your health safe; carefully read the disclaimer that accompanies them.


History
Ephedra Sinica (or Ma Huang) has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for over 5000 years against common colds, fever and asthma.

Ephedrine
Ephedrine is closely related to adrenalin. This has the following function in your body: the blood vessels are widened and your heartbeat increases. This causes the blood to be pumped through your body at a higher rate. The main function of blood is to supply oxygen to the body cells. These cells need oxygen to make energy by burning body fat.

Effects
Ephedrine stimulates the burning of body fat and it will make you more alert. Ephedrine increases the concentration and energy for 6 – 10 hours. Because of the energy your appetite will be
largely reduced.

Usage
Don’t use more than 50 mg. ephedrine within 24 hours. To reduce possible side effects when used to loose weight, you can use the on-off scheme: use the product for 5/6 weeks, and then take a break for 2 weeks.

Warnings
Ephedrine can cause shivers, insomnia, nervousness, palpitation of the heart and high blood pressure. Don’t use ephedrine when you have high blood pressure, depressions, heart problems or diabetes. Don’t use ephedrine when you’re pregnant. Don’t combine ephedrine with asthma medication or MAO-inhibitors. Don’t use ephedrine for more than 2 months in a row.



Do not take ephedra if you are taken or have recently taken (within the last 2 weeks):

a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) such as isocarboxazid (Marplan), tranylcypromine (Parnate), phenelzine (Nardil), or selegiline (Eldepryl);amphetamine-dextroamphetamine (Adderall);pemoline (Cylert);

methylphenidate (Ritalin, Metadate, Methylin, Concerta);
dexmethylphenidate (Focalin); amphetamine, dextroamphetamine (Dexadrine, Dextrostat), or methamphetamine (Desoxyn); atomoxetine (Strattera);

a heart disease or blood pressure medicine; ergot alkaloids such as ergotamine (Ergomar, Cafergot, Wigraine, Ercaf, others), or dihydroergotamine (D.H.E., Migranal);

thyroid hormones; acetazolamide (Diamox), dichlorphenamide (Daranide), or methazolamide (Glauctabs, MZM, Neptazane);

atropine (Sal-Tropine);
a phenothiazine such as chlorpromazine (Thorazine), fluphe****ne (Permitil, Prolixin), promethazine (Phenergan), prochlorperazine (Compazine), perphe****ne (Trilafon), trifluoperazine (Stelazine), and others;

a tricyclic antidepressant such as amitriptyline (Elavil), amoxapine (Asendin), clomipramine (Anafranil), desipramine (Norpramin), doxepin (Sinequan), imipramine (Tofranil), nortriptyline (Pamelor, Aventyl), trimipramine (Surmontil), or protriptyline (Vivactil);

an oral or injectable diabetes medicine (e.g., insulin);
haloperidol (Haldol);
cocaine;
a steroid medication such as cortisone (Cortone, others), prednisone (Deltasone, Orasone, others), methylprednisolone (Medrol), prednisolone (Prelone), and others;
creatine;
digoxin (Lanoxin);
inezolid (Zyvox);
procarbazine (Matulane);

an appetite suppressant or weight loss medication such as diethylpropion (Tenuate), benzphetamine (Didrex), phendimetrazine (Adipost, Bontril, Melfiat, Phendiet, Plegine, Prelu-2), phentermine (Adipex-P, Fastin, Ionamin, Obenix, Pro-Fast, Teramine, Zantryl), mazindol (Mazanor, Sanorex), sibutramine (Meridia), and others;

theophylline (Elixophyllin, Slo-Phyllin, Theo-Dur, Theochron, others) or aminophylline (Truphylline); furazolindone (Furoxone); general anesthetics (used during surgery); or yohimbine. You may not be able to take ephedra, or you may require a dosage adjustment or special monitoring during treatment if you are taking any of the medicines listed above.

Doctors also give negative advises on combining ephedra with other (herbal) stimulants and weight-loss products such as: caffeine, gotu kola, kola nut, guarana, amphetamines, pseudoephedrine, pheniylephrine and others.

Drugs other than those listed here may also interact with ephedra. Talk to your doctor, pharmacist, or health care professional before taking any prescription or over-the-counter medicines or other herbal/health supplements.

What happens if I overdose? Seek emergency medical attention.

[Symbolic]

TweetI can only comment on the Ephedra. I took Ripped Fuel Extreme w/ephedra for a couple of months, off and on, after a bulker and man did I lose the fat!! I actually lost some muscle mass too but it worked like magic. My resting heart rate was way up though and I would sweat just sitting. I was pretty ripped up for the summer, not as much as O2B but close....

[McKenzie]

TweetI myself prefer Ephedra...it gave me more energy and I saw better results. Clen gave me the shakes and I didnt see as much of a difference.

[DIRTY_SOUTH]

TweetI guess I'm weird...Clen makes me hot all over and thirsty as hell but no jitters or shakes. I only get the shakes with Ephedra and it makes me have a nervous stomach. I like both but my vote goes to Clen.

Coming from a female point of view, my wife is currently 5'3 115lbs. When she ran her last cycle of clen she used 20mcg each day for week 1 then bumped to 40mcgs and ran it for 5 more weeks. She didn't taper off at the end and didn't ramp up any higher than 40mcgs throughout and she had amazing results. As was said before though, diet is the key to making any of it work properly or effectively. She had an extremely clean diet and did a minimum of 45 mins of cardio 5-6 days a week.

[firstenrgy]

TweetClen is a beta 2 selective bronchiodiolator and ephedra is not. People in the bodybuilding community think clen is the bomb but I think ephedrine HCL is jus as effective.
firstenrgy

[angryoldman]

TweetClen downgrades receptor sites. Ephedra does not. So if you're on the juice, probably best to stay off Clen and go with ephedra. If off the juice, go with clen. I'm with Rado on the impression Clen is a better fat burner.

[firstenrgy]

TweetNo offense bro but ephedra WILL downregulate beta receptors. I'm POSITIVE of this Just because it is not beta 2 selective doesn't mean it is not hitting the beta sites (and ephedra does). So downregulation is something it will do!
firstenrgy

[AlmostThere]

TweetAfter my morning meal i always start the day with ECA before i train. Its epedra hands down for me. Clen never did much for me and doesnt compare to the energy i get from ephedra

[angryoldman]

Tweet

No offense bro but ephedra WILL downregulate beta receptors. I'm POSITIVE of this Just because it is not beta 2 selective doesn't mean it is not hitting the beta sites (and ephedra does). So downregulation is something it will do!
firstenrgy

No offense taken. If this is true, you learn something new everyday. So it sounds like when you're cycling, neither will do much good for a growing body.

[SMILEY FACE]

Tweeti like clen and to be specific is the spiropent clen works like magic, and of course cardio and dieting as well. i get hot and sweaty and thirsty too

[Saucefit]

TweetWhere can I find ephedra products then? I know they're around, I just need to be pointed in the right direction.

[HeHateMe]

TweetI think they work equally well. I like alternating them, 2 weeks clen, 2 weeks ECA, etc., etc., etc...