Tren alone?

[markriley]

TweetI always hear everyone saying to always run test with your tren. I'm in a sport where water retention(associated with test) will take me out of contention. I cut a lot of weight and I cant afford to gain even a coule of pounds of bloat. In reviews I have read the tren is twice as anabolic as test. So can I run a tren only cycle. KEEP IN MIND ... I'm not trying to gain any mass for the purpose of getting bigger. I would like to stay around the same size. I would just like to run a tren only cycle in season so i can gain some strength while i cut weight.

[O2BESOHUGE]

TweetTREN AND TEST PROPIONATE CANT BE BEATEN!! YOU'D LOVE THAT...YOU WOULDNT GET MUCH "BLOAT" WITH THAT MIX.

TREN, PROP, AND EQ ARE MY FAVORITES!

O2

[BigSoda]

Tweetu can run tren alone but test would be better with it maybe at a low dose like 400mgs per week.I know people dont like it but halo is great for strength and no water and no size,u can run that for a few weeks.I have also ran suspinsion before with great strength gains and next to no bloat with liq dex together with it.

[FUZO]

TweetI WOULD RUN SOME KIND OF TEST WITH IT

[lxorl]

TweetI rean tren and EQ a while back and wasnt shut down too hard.... i actually looked better on that than when i ran tren and prop..... everyone responds different though.

[markriley]

TweetThanks guys. I guess I'll do a forum search on prop.

[aai420]

TweetI did tren alone and it wasnt bad. Gained some size, lost some fat and got stronger. It doesnt give me any sides either.

[BigSoda]

Tweetthere is no proof that prop has less water retintion then any other type of test,I posted this a while ago and no one could come up with a reason to why people think that prop is any different then enenthate or cyp for bloat.

[lxorl]

TweetI agree... i got pretty bloated on prop at 750/week

there is no proof that prop has less water retintion then any other type of test,I posted this a while ago and no one could come up with a reason to why people think that prop is any different then enenthate or cyp for bloat.

[zilla]

TweetIn my opinion, Test should be the backbone of any cycle.

[mick-G]

TweetFrankly, id rather use long ester in test or sust. Run a test though for sure with the tren. I think the tren/eq/test combo is it.

[djflex]

Tweetsuspension is good to run w/it. No worries about too much bloat because it is in and out of you before you know it. (Water based) I'd run them together if you want to stay lean. Or, you've always got winstrol if your goal is strength without the bloat.

[Tux]

TweetI did tren alone at 100mg/day, no libido problems at all. Just solid strength and hard lean mass. No need to run test with it unless you already know you'll have a limp dick AND that happens to be important for you. As concerned as you are about weight, i'm guessing this is for a weight-class competition like wrestling, so tren/halo will make you strong as hell and very aggressive with no water weight.

[blink]

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In my opinion, Test should be the backbone of any cycle.

'nuff said! But, I do respect you guys who've run it alone, or with other non-test compounds.

[rado]

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there is no proof that prop has less water retintion then any other type of test,I posted this a while ago and no one could come up with a reason to why people think that prop is any different then enenthate or cyp for bloat.

Taken from Premier Muscle. Posted by Mertz98


The main difference between propionate, cypionate, and enanthate is the respective duration of effect. In contrast to the long-acting enanthate and cypionate depot steroids, propionate has a distinctly lower duration of effect.

The reader learns how long this time is from the package insert of the German Jenapharm GmbH for their compound "Testosteron Jenapharm" (see list with trade 'names): "Testosterone proprionate has a duration of effect of I to 2 days.

" An eye-catching difference, however, is that the athlete "draws" distinctly less water with propionate and visibly lower water retention occurs. Since propionate is quickly effective, often after only one or two days, the athlete experiences an increase of his training energy, a better pump, an increased appe-tite, and a slight strength gain.

As an initial dose most athletes pre-fer a 50-100 mg injection.

This offers two options:

First, because of the rapid initial effect of the propionate-ester one can initiate a sev-eral-week-long steroid treatment with Testosterone enanthate.

Those who cannot wait until the depot steroids become effective inject 250 mg of Testosterone enanthate and 50 mg of Testosterone propionate at the beginning of the treatment. After two days, when the effect of the propionates decreases, another 50 mg ampule is injected.

Two days after that, the elevated testosterone level caused by the propi-onate begins to decrease.

Although the side effects of propionate are similar to the ones of enanthate and cypionate these, as already mentioned, occur less fre-quently. However, if there is a predisposition and very high dosages are taken, the known androgenic-linked side effects such as acne vulgaris, accelerated hair loss, and increased growth of body hair and deep voice can occur.

An increased libido is common both in men and women with the use of propionate. Despite the high conversion rate of propionate into estrogen gynecomastia is less common than with other testosterones.