Tweetpersonally i don't like anything lower than 500mg per week. below that and your not really raising your levels enough to cause much of a difference for me anyways. I think a test winni cycle for a first one would be a good one. i would stretch it out 12 weeks since you really won't start to notice the test until about week 3-4. then run winni the last 4 weeks. As far as pct im a believer in nolva and high doses of tribulus. This has worked better than anything for me. Start the trib 2 weeks before the cycle ends and run at like 8 grams a day. Run that for 6 weeks then cut to 4 grams for 4 more weeks. Start the nolva right after the cycle ends at 40mg/day and run that for 2 weeks then go to 20mg/day for 2 more weeks.

TweetGive me your stats (age-height-weight-ect) since its your first and lets see what we can do. Also what are you wanting to accomplish with this run(size-lean-??)

Tweetfirst cyc, i would run test only. 300mg's a week might been fine...depend on your starting size/weight. if i'm not mistaken, you've done a couople prohormone cyc's already havnt you? the jump aint that big from one to another. more cost eficiant and better mood.
research in the aas forum. lots of beginner info in there. i personaly wouldnt run test with anything else for my first run...i'd wanna see just what was what from the test without anything else getting in the mix. jmo

TweetRead this by stonecoldnto and see what he found on low dose test cycles. Good read.

https://www.steroidology.com/forum/an...ruth-myth.html

Originally Posted by jamescb77

personally i don't like anything lower than 500mg per week. below that and your not really raising your levels enough to cause much of a difference for me anyways. I think a test winni cycle for a first one would be a good one. i would stretch it out 12 weeks since you really won't start to notice the test until about week 3-4. then run winni the last 4 weeks. As far as pct im a believer in nolva and high doses of tribulus. This has worked better than anything for me. Start the trib 2 weeks before the cycle ends and run at like 8 grams a day. Run that for 6 weeks then cut to 4 grams for 4 more weeks. Start the nolva right after the cycle ends at 40mg/day and run that for 2 weeks then go to 20mg/day for 2 more weeks.

Tweetthanks all

5'9" 192lbs and 11-12% will double check skinfolds if need be


alot of PH cycles

TweetI personally think you will be disappointed with 200-300mg ew. I think 400mg would be ok. With light AI use, clean diet, and proper training, you'll enjoy.

However, I think a 400mg Test cyp or E with 300mg deca ew is an ideal first cycle. trust me, you'll be much happier.

In fact, that is exactly what I am doing right now. Untill I add anavar at 50mg ed next week. Now I have been using AAS for 10 years and on TRT for the last 6. I am recovering from a major motorcycle accident which put me in a wheel char for a little over 2 months, and unable to work or lift for 7 months. And that was probabaly to early. Started the T and D at 10 months post accident and am quickly recovering. But treading lightly to avoid injury aggravation.

Tweetthanks for all the input so far

keep it flowing in

TweetI can't read Stonecolds post here(its blocked- go figure) and James I have run up to 1grm/wk and got no more results than 500-750mg/wk- so I tend to agree with you for the most part. Now as for test-E/Deca- thats is my all time favorite and the "Bread and Butter" of all time. That all being said if it were me- I would ru 500mg/wk Test-E or Cyp for 10wks for my first run. I would make sure I have my anti-E's on hand and my PCT on hand prior to anything. From your results on that- I would gage my next plan of attack. The only reason I have your dose at that is because of the previous PH's runs or I would have suggested lower.

TweetOK so I was thinking I didnt want a huge jump in size and wanted to keep it kinda low key lol . That's why I was thinking low dosed . I don't want to get huge really. I want solid gains that are keep-able and very maintainable. I also would like to lean out that's why I suggested winny ( I have win. on hand ) . "I don't want the YOU are on ROIDS thing " as well. .

i would def have all PCT and AI on hand as I always do with my PHs. that is a Must

Tweeti think you would do great on 500mg test with the winni at the end

Tweeti can only tell you about my personal experience and, in the end, thats all any of us can do. at 500mg's a weak, i held water...not a ton, but a co-worker, WHO HAD DONE STEROIDS IN HIS PAST, asked "what are you on?" with a wink...but, as far as i know, know one else noticed. i did notice my face puff up. at 300mg a week w/tbol (my next run), nobody said anything...but...i didnt gain 20lb either. i put on about 9 or so. everyone's different bro. water can be minipulated. a test only cyc, for your first cyc, will let you see how your body reacts to test...jmo

TweetLooks like a good cycle. I would bump the test up to 500mg/week. I would also extend it to 16 weeks or at least have enough for the option.

For PCT; HCG and nolvadex.

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Originally Posted by jamescb77

i think you would do great on 500mg test with the winni at the end

thats my thoughts as well