TweetI wouldn't run any oral by itself except maybe for var. If I were you I'd toss in some prop.

TweetAgreed...Pretty stupid do just do winny by itself...

Tweetyep... You're gonna get that answer across the board. Add a little test at least for your joints and to supplement your levels. Just a couple hundred mgs of test a week and it will help that winny out alot too.

Tweetif your a new user you might burn sum fat and see sumthin. i used only var for 7 weeks when i first was introduced to chems and i was happy with what happend. IMO tho, i would go for an injectable at a low dose also and not for less then 16 weeks. i'd recommend 16 cuz u might not have ever seen how your body rebounds or reacts

Tweet16 weeks for any newbie is too much...8-10wks is more than enough...Then you can always do longer cycles after experienced.

Tweetwhy do you suggest 8 - 10? i'm not disagreeing just asking

Tweet16 weeks on an oral and your liver will be stressed. why is everyone so afraid of a little poke? injectables are far less liver toxic and safer. an oral should be run 8 to 10 weeks tops to let the liver recharge, especially a newbie. your liver won't know what thr phuq is going on. 8 to 12 weeks for a newbie is a good first cycle. a test esther, maybe some dbol or winny for 6 to 8 weeks and you should see some nice results. as an fyi, a var only cycle will shut down your hpta axis pretty quick and take some pct therapy awhile to start it back up. check out some of bill llewelyn's books. strange but true.

Tweetto clarify - ok, i didnt mean 16 weeks of an oral, i said 16weeks and injectable cycle with the 8 or so oral

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Originally Posted by kite

I wouldn't run any oral by itself except maybe for var.

Totally agree with that.

TweetBad idea, winny sucks all by itself anyways. And, it will make your tendons brittle. Why would you want a winny only cycle?

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Originally Posted by mtweighmore

to clarify - ok, i didnt mean 16 weeks of an oral, i said 16weeks and injectable cycle with the 8 or so oral

i got that...12-16 inject, with 8 oral...i agree.
i would do a test/winny cycle. winny by itself i'd pass on.

TweetWell for starts(newbies)...I would run one compound; test...for 10wks...That's more than enough...Have your PCT...Once you've done a few cycles...It could be possible to do more...I just finished a 6 month cycle of prop/tren at 100mgs EOD...I get blood work done every 6 months while off or on..I was fine with those 2 compounds...But I also know what my body can handle...I prefer longer low dose cycles with HCG...Followed by clomid...Works great for me...I've been off since may and I'm still weighing 203lbs and fairly lean...Your diet is the most important thing...Anyone can tell you WTF to do...but if your diet, training and rest blows...Well you'll look like $hit...

Tweetill go against the grain here.....

it kinda depends on where you are at to this point.... if you are already fairly stacked and fairly lean you can see some good benefits...

i know this goes against everything we preach but i ran winny alone for months, made gains and was shredded.....

now, if you are just starting to work out then dont waste your time.