Prescription meds

[Harry Tasker]

TweetI've been sick for awhile with a sinus infection and sore throat that feels like im swallowing glass.

I'm 4th week in my cycle, I've lost 16LBS. I've lost my appetite. I force myself to eat. I get on the scale and my weight just keeps dropping.

I think these pills are causing a lot of these sides. This cycle is going to shit!

- Doxycyline
- Guaifenesin

Should I finish these pills off? They r really ****ing me up but I don't want this sickness to come back. I read the side effects for each and they each had like 5-6 sides each. My throat is still in pain.

[TestRip7]

TweetI'm pretty sure both of those are anti-biotics. If that is the case you definately need to finish them off for them to be 100% effective. Otherwise you might build up an immunity to them and your sickness could possible get worse and you will need stronger anti-biotics. Just hang in there for another week or two and hopefully it will get better and you can focus fully on eating and training. Meanwhile keep craming down the protien and calories to keep some weight on.

[badasz32]

Tweeti agree ^. i used to take the doxy for acne i dont think it will hinder ur gains.

[mick-G]

TweetGuaifenesin is not an anti-biotic. Get some Biaxin or Avelox from an allergist or dr.

[RedBaron]

TweetYour Doxycyline is really just a form of tetracycline anti-biotic. The Guaifenesin is just to thin out your mucous. That would be an appropriate prescription for a sinus infection.

I can't think of anything unique to those two substances that would explain a huge weight loss.

[mick-G]

Tweet^Ive had sinus infections and have to take the allergy shots. What he is taking will not clear up an upper respratory infection. It is not strong enough and the Guaifenesin is like an expectorant. When i first started having the sinus infections it would start out with my throat very sore and hurt like hell when i swallowed, and i would get drainage into the back of either one of my lympth nodes on the side of my neck that would be a bump. Also alot of head congestion. The dr. would put me on Biaxin, i think they are 400mg if im not mistaken taken twice ed. After about 1 1/2 yr i became resistant to the anti-biotic and had to use Avelox and that is only take once ed. Ive tried Augmentin, but it caused me to have upset stomach even when taken with food and drink. You really need to get on one of these antibiotic, because if you don't the infection will last a very long time. After taking either Biaxin or Avelox it should start to clear up within a day or two, but take all of the amount given or it will flare up again if its not all gone.

[RedBaron]

TweetDoxycycline is used to treat bacterial infections, including pneumonia and other respiratory tract infections; lyme disease; acne; infections of skin, genital, and urinary systems; and anthrax (after inhalational exposure). It is also used to prevent malaria. Doxycycline is in a class of medications called tetracycline antibiotics. It works by preventing the growth and spread of bacteria.

Guaifenesin is indeed an expectorant ... it will really thin out the mucous in the respiratory tract. The combination of the two are to combat the secondary bacterial infection, while allowing those sinuses to actually drain ... without thining that crap out and getting it out of the sinuses, infection will breed fiendishly ad infintum.

As I stated, the meds his doctor prescribed are certainly reasonable for what we would typically prescribe for his condition. A lot of times it boils down to what his insurance will cover, and as has been mentioned how many times and how much antibiotics have been used in the past. Biaxin and Augmentin for many insurances aren't first tier meds ... you have to try others first. That being said, Doxycycline should work if he hasn't become resistant to that family of antibiotics.

I think the real concern he has expressed is that somehow one or the other or both of these are causing extreme weight-loss. That certainly shouldn't be the case.

[mick-G]

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Biaxin and Augmentin for many insurances aren't first tier meds ... you have to try others first. That being said, Doxycycline should work if he hasn't become resistant to that family of antibiotics.

I think the real concern he has expressed is that somehow one or the other or both of these are causing extreme weight-loss. That certainly shouldn't be the case.

Bro iam sorry but i have to call you on this one, lol! Biaxin and Avelox are specifically given for upper respratory infections. The insurances do not have first call and you don't have to take other meds before taking these antibiotics i have talked about. If he has cronic sinus then he should be seeing an allergist not a general practicioner. I will bet the first antibiotic they will give is either Biaxin, Augmentin, or if bad enough Avelox. I have Blue Cross Blue Shield and never have i heard of taking Doxycycline and guifenesin as a "first tier" med for sinus infections. I take a combination of guifenesin/physdoephendrine (sp) to help maintain my allergies on a daily basis, but not after and infection is present or chronic. He needs to see an allergist. I have been down this road for 6yrs now. It is evident that he is not getting better off this. Taking Biaxin or Avelox he would have been seeing relief within the first two days.

[RedBaron]

TweetYou may be missing what I am trying to convey. Biaxin is certainly prescribed for treating certain infections caused by bacteria, such as pneumonia, bronchitis, and infections of the ears, lungs, sinuses, skin, and throat. It also is used to prevent disseminated Mycobacterium avium complex (MAC) infection in patients with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

What I am telling you is that depending on what country and what insurance company you have, there are lists of "preferred" medications that your insurance company wants you to use. For HMO's there is a protocol they want to see. Financially it is in the doctors best interest to abide by their wishes where practical. For PPO's they have a bit more flexibility.

Are you a medical provider? My wife and I both are, and deal with crap like this routinely. If you aren't a medical provider, just ask Blue Cross for a list of "preferred" medications. You will find many aren't covered at all ... others are discouraged. Don't kid yourself. Insurance companies do have preferences. I am not saying that universally Biaxin and Avelox aren't covered ... I AM saying that depending on your insurance coverage, they may not be favorably encouraged by your particular HMO or PPO ... in which case something like what was prescribed may have been.

Okay, I am finished with this now. Take this for what you will.

[jipped genes]

Tweetbro doxy is fairly weak it may not help that much although it is fairly broad spectrum many bacteria are resistant to it.

when i had a bad case of tonsilitis that wouldnt go away my doc prescribed augmentin and prednisone which took care of it. if you could get a ********* pack that would work too.

but yeah keep taking it. go see your doc!

[mick-G]

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You may be missing what I am trying to convey. Biaxin is certainly prescribed for treating certain infections caused by bacteria, such as pneumonia, bronchitis, and infections of the ears, lungs, sinuses, skin, and throat. It also is used to prevent disseminated Mycobacterium avium complex (MAC) infection in patients with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

What I am telling you is that depending on what country and what insurance company you have, there are lists of "preferred" medications that your insurance company wants you to use. For HMO's there is a protocol they want to see. Financially it is in the doctors best interest to abide by their wishes where practical. For PPO's they have a bit more flexibility.

Are you a medical provider? My wife and I both are, and deal with crap like this routinely. If you aren't a medical provider, just ask Blue Cross for a list of "preferred" medications. You will find many aren't covered at all ... others are discouraged. Don't kid yourself. Insurance companies do have preferences. I am not saying that universally Biaxin and Avelox aren't covered ... I AM saying that depending on your insurance coverage, they may not be favorably encouraged by your particular HMO or PPO ... in which case something like what was prescribed may have been.

Okay, I am finished with this now. Take this for what you will.

Lol, bro you are too much! Iam not talking about what is covered and what is not. We know im sure Adam is from USA. If he wants something that will work it is Biaxin or Avelox. Ive been thru having sinus since i was 36 and iam now 47. I know what works and what doesn't. Im not going to get into this tit for tat with you on medical coverage. Iam saying Biaxin was the first med my dr (allergist not GP) prescribed for acute sinus infection. Btw, i don't even have prescription coverage, so it doen't matter to me what is covered, but if you go to an allergist with these probs, this is what they will most likely prescribe. Gui and Dox will not get rid of acute sinus infection, pure and simple. I may help alittle, but it won't get rid of the infection. Btw, the reason he prob cant eat and is loosing weight is because when you have sinus infection it will bring on a very sore throat, head congestions with flu like symptoms, and can even make you have nausea. There will be a lack of appetite because of this. Sounds like he should have been on these anitbiotics awhile back, as he would have had relief by now. I know, yes you are correct there are protocols for insurance purposes, but hence his dr if knowing this is treating him with meds that will not get rid of his infection because of his protocol because he is not an allergist, then he is at fault, and should have reffered him to an allergist, or if he (Adam) has an HMO, perhaps he should have received a refferal from his primary dr to a qualified allergist that knows what to prescribe for acute sinus infection. I have experience with these hmo as well. Alot of these primary dr. will keep you going to them till they have exhaused all resources, then they will give you a refferal to someone who more specialized after you are at almost you last leg. They will keep you going in for office visits so they can charge insurance companies. If i go to a doc i want him/her to help me with my condition, not worry about what insurance protocol is.

[angryoldman]

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Lol, bro you are too much! Iam not talking about what is covered and what is not. We know im sure Adam is from USA. If he wants something that will work it is Biaxin or Avelox. Ive been thru having sinus since i was 36 and iam now 47. I know what works and what doesn't. Im not going to get into this tit for tat with you on medical coverage. Iam saying Biaxin was the first med my dr (allergist not GP) prescribed for acute sinus infection. Btw, i don't even have prescription coverage, so it doen't matter to me what is covered, but if you go to an allergist with these probs, this is what they will most likely prescribe. Gui and Dox will not get rid of acute sinus infection, pure and simple. I may help alittle, but it won't get rid of the infection. Btw, the reason he prob cant eat and is loosing weight is because when you have sinus infection it will bring on a very sore throat, head congestions with flu like symptoms, and can even make you have nausea. There will be a lack of appetite because of this. Sounds like he should have been on these anitbiotics awhile back, as he would have had relief by now. I know, yes you are correct there are protocols for insurance purposes, but hence his dr if knowing this is treating him with meds that will not get rid of his infection because of his protocol because he is not an allergist, then he is at fault, and should have reffered him to an allergist, or if he (Adam) has an HMO, perhaps he should have received a refferal from his primary dr to a qualified allergist that knows what to prescribe for acute sinus infection. I have experience with these hmo as well. Alot of these primary dr. will keep you going to them till they have exhaused all resources, then they will give you a refferal to someone who more specialized after you are at almost you last leg. They will keep you going in for office visits so they can charge insurance companies. If i go to a doc i want him/her to help me with my condition, not worry about what insurance protocol is.

Listen to Mick. He knows what he's talking about. He's pre med

[RedBaron]

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Lol, bro you are too much! Iam not talking about what is covered and what is not. We know im sure Adam is from USA. If he wants something that will work it is Biaxin or Avelox. Ive been thru having sinus since i was 36 and iam now 47. I know what works and what doesn't. Im not going to get into this tit for tat with you on medical coverage. Iam saying Biaxin was the first med my dr (allergist not GP) prescribed for acute sinus infection. Btw, i don't even have prescription coverage, so it doen't matter to me what is covered, but if you go to an allergist with these probs, this is what they will most likely prescribe. Gui and Dox will not get rid of acute sinus infection, pure and simple. I may help alittle, but it won't get rid of the infection. Btw, the reason he prob cant eat and is loosing weight is because when you have sinus infection it will bring on a very sore throat, head congestions with flu like symptoms, and can even make you have nausea. There will be a lack of appetite because of this. Sounds like he should have been on these anitbiotics awhile back, as he would have had relief by now. I know, yes you are correct there are protocols for insurance purposes, but hence his dr if knowing this is treating him with meds that will not get rid of his infection because of his protocol because he is not an allergist, then he is at fault, and should have reffered him to an allergist, or if he (Adam) has an HMO, perhaps he should have received a refferal from his primary dr to a qualified allergist that knows what to prescribe for acute sinus infection. I have experience with these hmo as well. Alot of these primary dr. will keep you going to them till they have exhaused all resources, then they will give you a refferal to someone who more specialized after you are at almost you last leg. They will keep you going in for office visits so they can charge insurance companies. If i go to a doc i want him/her to help me with my condition, not worry about what insurance protocol is.

What was lost in a huge discourse is just a simple point .... My only point was to let this guy know that his doctor was probably following whatever his plan was saying was their particular preferred starting point. Is what his doc ordered the premier, best way to go? No. Do I have stock in Doxy? No. Is Doxy a great antibiotic? No. Only point was to say that there was probably a reason his doctor started with what he did.

It is also tough to second guess a doctor. He may have an allergy to Penicillin ... this may in the doctor's opinion have started as a mild enough infection that Doxy would knock it out ... or any of a host of other variables. You will see GP's deal with run of the mill sinus infections (not acute conditions) in the full gamut ... from nothing at all, to sudafed/guiafenesin, to sudafed/guiafenesin/nasonex, so all the above with a antibiotic, to full blown giving you a penicillin injection, corticosteroid injection, and sending your home with a host of meds. It is really a judgement call on the doctor's part.

There is also a difference in the way you would treat a patient with a one-time bad cold turned sinus infection and the way you would treat someone who has already been through his GP and is under the care of a specialist for an acute condition.

I agree that if 7-10 days have gone by and he is still as bad off as he has indicated, then he needs to have his doctor give him something better.

Anyway, sorry to the thread originator for the side-journey. This is the reason I usually stick to answering only HGH/Insulin/IGF-1 and other peptide questions. I truly have no desire to beleaguer medical questions in my recreation time. I was merely attempting to give "the other side of the story". Sorry that wasn't well received ... it won't happen again to be sure!

[Harry Tasker]

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What was lost in a huge discourse is just a simple point .... My only point was to let this guy know that his doctor was probably following whatever his plan was saying was their particular preferred starting point. Is what his doc ordered the premier, best way to go? No. Do I have stock in Doxy? No. Is Doxy a great antibiotic? No. Only point was to say that there was probably a reason his doctor started with what he did.

It is also tough to second guess a doctor. He may have an allergy to Penicillin ... this may in the doctor's opinion have started as a mild enough infection that Doxy would knock it out ... or any of a host of other variables. You will see GP's deal with run of the mill sinus infections (not acute conditions) in the full gamut ... from nothing at all, to sudafed/guiafenesin, to sudafed/guiafenesin/nasonex, so all the above with a antibiotic, to full blown giving you a penicillin injection, corticosteroid injection, and sending your home with a host of meds. It is really a judgement call on the doctor's part.

There is also a difference in the way you would treat a patient with a one-time bad cold turned sinus infection and the way you would treat someone who has already been through his GP and is under the care of a specialist for an acute condition.

I agree that if 7-10 days have gone by and he is still as bad off as he has indicated, then he needs to have his doctor give him something better.

Anyway, sorry to the thread originator for the side-journey. This is the reason I usually stick to answering only HGH/Insulin/IGF-1 and other peptide questions. I truly have no desire to beleaguer medical questions in my recreation time. I was merely attempting to give "the other side of the story". Sorry that wasn't well received ... it won't happen again to be sure!

I dont kno if the meds r working or if my body is just getting better on it's own, but I am getting better slowly. The doctor was an old school guy. Seems when ever he see's a problem like mine. he will just prescribe the samething to anyone. It's probably just clock work for the guy.

U were correct on what the med's do, I have a profile on each and they do exactly what u said they did.

[Harry Tasker]

Tweetthnx for the input