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Originally Posted by mick-G

The reason i suggested the Cyionate/Equipoise cycle is that it is way less harsh than tren. I do not advise Tren as a second cycle. If it were say your forth then i would say go for it. Actually equipoise has way less, if any sides, contrary to the tren. Also the reason i suggested the EQ with the Cypionate is that you will get quality lean muscle with the equipoise with more lasting gains post cycle. The cycle i suggested about is not overkill, you have to run EQ longer than most aas, because of the fact that it takes anywhere between 5-7wks before you start to see results. Could you refresh my memory on your stats?? I know you are 170lbs 10% bf and 25yrs, but what about height? Reguardless, your post cycle gains will depend on your diet, maintaining cals, quality protein, training, and sleep. Do the cycle i suggest in post #13 I promise you will be very happy, very hungry and will get minimal to no sides. If anything add 1-2 tabs of proviron ed after the 5th wk and use it up till pct and you will be extreamly happy.

i do agree with your cycle suggestion mick. i think test- eq is the way to go. the one thing i'm not completely agreeing with is staying away from deca and tren at a younger age. as me and you talked about, yes it is a good idea to stay away from the 2 if ur planing on having kids in the near future. how ever if thats not in the cards for him right now i would think it would be better to run at a younger age cause your natty test will bounce back quicker when ur young. thoughts?

TweetIm just not a Deca fan Ed, lol! As far as the age thing, i think he said he is 25yr that is ok, but being this is only his 2nd cycle, i think he should wait at least no sooner than say his third cycle, in which if he had to choose i would go with the Tren. For this 2nd cycle and for what he is looking for i think test/eq is the way to go, as he will have litte to no sides and gain quality muscle that will be more lasting post cycle.

Tweeti agree with you completely when it comes to mailz. i just meant in general

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Originally Posted by mick-G

The reason i suggested the Cyionate/Equipoise cycle is that it is way less harsh than tren. I do not advise Tren as a second cycle. If it were say your forth then i would say go for it. Actually equipoise has way less, if any sides, contrary to the tren. Also the reason i suggested the EQ with the Cypionate is that you will get quality lean muscle with the equipoise with more lasting gains post cycle. The cycle i suggested about is not overkill, you have to run EQ longer than most aas, because of the fact that it takes anywhere between 5-7wks before you start to see results. Could you refresh my memory on your stats?? I know you are 170lbs 10% bf and 25yrs, but what about height? Reguardless, your post cycle gains will depend on your diet, maintaining cals, quality protein, training, and sleep. Do the cycle i suggest in post #13 I promise you will be very happy, very hungry and will get minimal to no sides. If anything add 1-2 tabs of proviron ed after the 5th wk and use it up till pct and you will be extreamly happy.

Ok Mick, I'm sold. Just to clarify, here's what I'll be running:

Test Cyp. 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13
EQ 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13

Clomid 300-100-50,etc. starting Week 15 (14 days after last shot)

The only real issue left to resolve is what the proper anti-estrogen would be. Would you go with Arimidex (pills) or Aromasin? I don't want to use l-dex because it would be really inconvenient for me.

Tweetim on test and eq now and its great, cyp 400 eq 500. this is my second time with test and eq. you will love it.

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Originally Posted by badasz32

test and eq or prop and tren
test 5-600
eq 4-600

or
tren 75mg eod
prop 100mg eod

I would do the 2nd cycle (prop and tren)...ull be a horse

Tweetto be honest i have the best of both worlds, im running
cyp weeks 1-10
eq weeks 1-17
prop weeks 10-20
tren weeks 10-17

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Originally Posted by malitz

Ok Mick, I'm sold. Just to clarify, here's what I'll be running:

Test Cyp. 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13
EQ 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13

Clomid 300-100-50,etc. starting Week 15 (14 days after last shot)

The only real issue left to resolve is what the proper anti-estrogen would be. Would you go with Arimidex (pills) or Aromasin? I don't want to use l-dex because it would be really inconvenient for me.

This is waht i would do. If you can get aromasin id run it 12.5 mg eod. If you can get ldex .25mg eod and if you what run nolva 10mg ed with the ldex. You can run both thruout cycle and thru pct if you feel necessary, but this cycle is really mild. Now don't go listening to anybody else, lol! This is perfect for a second cycle.

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Originally Posted by malitz

Ok Mick, I'm sold. Just to clarify, here's what I'll be running:

Test Cyp. 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13
EQ 500mg/wk, Weeks 1-13

Clomid 300-100-50,etc. starting Week 15 (14 days after last shot)

The only real issue left to resolve is what the proper anti-estrogen would be. Would you go with Arimidex (pills) or Aromasin? I don't want to use l-dex because it would be really inconvenient for me.

I like this one.

TweetHey Mick, what about HCG? Is this necessary? It was mentioned earlier, and during my last cycle it took a while for my natural testosterone to start working again. I'm thinking HCG might be useful... ?

TweetNope, you don't need it for this one. Save it for another cycle if you decide to do tren at some point. PCT of clomid will do the trick. If you really feel you want the extra boost, do it after your cycle, two wks before pct @ 500IU three times ew. Thats three seperate injects of 500IU, mon/wed/sat. the eq will make you very hungry, but if you even what to get more hunger and boost, do some b-12 injects on workout days 1000mcg per inject.

TweetThanks to all for the advice so far. I just want everyone to review a few final issues before I get this cycle started. For review, here is what I am planning on running:

Weeks 1-13: Test Cyp 500 mg/wk
Weeks 1-13: EQ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-13: Arimidex .5mg EOD (pills btw)

Week 15: start standard 30 day Clomid therapy

My current stats: 5'9, 170lbs, 10% BF.

My concerns:

1. Bloat. I really, really don't want the moon face. I've heard plenty of great things about Arimidex, but can I really count on it for maximum bloat suppression? Should I throw Nolvadex in there too?

2. Gains. I obviously love gains, but what kind of results can I expect? During my last cycle, I peaked at +20 lbs, and that was with only 400mg of Cyp. over 10 weeks. A lot of it was water, but that's still a lot of fucking weight. I really don't want to become a muscle fiend off this cycle. I want a net gain of 15 lbs, at the most.

3. Running Arimidex and Nolvadex all the way through PCT. Is this overkill? I've heard about estrogen rebounds during PCT, so I'm wondering if these are necessary precautions.

4. HCG. It took me a while to get my natural testosterone going after my last cycle. If I can't lay pipe this summer, I'm going to be bitter. Should I consider HCG?

Thanks to all for the advice.

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