Tweetwell first you don't wanna combine deca and tren together. ur settin yourself up for prolactin problems and ur titties will leak. also IMO u don't wanna have a cycle without at least some test in there, ya know to keep the boys up and running.

if i were you i would run test cyp or enanthate at 500-600 a week. and run eq 500-600 a week. don't add 2 new compounds cause you want to see how each is workin for you. save tren for down the road, u don't need it yet. its very easy when ur first learning to want to try anything and everything, i did and i regret being so impatient.

TweetTest/Eq and Test/Tren are both excellent choices. I'd probably choose Test Tren for a 2nd cycle though, because Eq needs at least 12 weeks (which is effectively 15 weeks with that ester), and that introduces the need for HCG, etc. Try this:

Test E/C 1-12 500mg/wk
Tren Ace 1-10 75mg EOD

Nolva 20mg ED
B6 200mg ED

You will love this cycle.

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Originally Posted by Testify

Test/Eq and Test/Tren are both excellent choices. I'd probably choose Test Tren for a 2nd cycle though, because Eq needs at least 12 weeks (which is effectively 15 weeks with that ester), and that introduces the need for HCG, etc. Try this:

Test E/C 1-12 500mg/wk
Tren Ace 1-10 75mg EOD

Nolva 20mg ED
B6 200mg ED

You will love this cycle.

imo he should use hcg if tren is used as well.

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Originally Posted by edvedr

imo he should use hcg if tren is used as well.

It certainly wouldn't hurt . . .

TweetI would try the test and eq also if I were you.

Tweettest and eq or prop and tren
test 5-600
eq 4-600

or
tren 75mg eod
prop 100mg eod

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Originally Posted by edvedr

well first you don't wanna combine deca and tren together. ur settin yourself up for prolactin problems and ur titties will leak.

I've heard that hyperprolactinemia can be a concern when combining progestins such as Deca and Tren, but only under high dosages. Supposedly, there are preventative measures that can be taken too. Thoughts?

imo he should use hcg if tren is used as well.

I have no experience with HCG. How much/often?

Originally Posted by Testify

Test E/C 1-12 500mg/wk
Tren Ace 1-10 75mg EOD

Nolva 20mg ED
B6 200mg ED

You will love this cycle.

This sounds really good dude. However, does anyone have any insight on what the difference between this cycle and swapping the Tren for Winny would be? Obviously, you wouldn't run the Winny for 10 weeks, but if the function of both Tren and Winny is to harden up the gains, would running Winny for the final 4 weeks produce a likewise result?

Originally Posted by badasz32

tren 75mg eod
prop 100mg eod

... aka "The Pin Cushion" cycle. . I'm not cool with the injection frequency there.

Tweetwell then run test enth and tren enth both long esters.

TweetMalitz - I am not sure what I was thinking, but it wold be far easier to run Test Prop with the Tren, EOD as was mentioned by badasz32. EOD injects are really not that bad.

Tweetshit personally i would just run test because if you only kept 5 pounds last time then you should have know problems gaining 10lbs off of test@500mgs for 10 weeks. But if you want to add something else the I would just do edvedr said

TweetI second this

Originally Posted by Testify

Test/Eq and Test/Tren are both excellent choices. I'd probably choose Test Tren for a 2nd cycle though, because Eq needs at least 12 weeks (which is effectively 15 weeks with that ester), and that introduces the need for HCG, etc. Try this:

Test E/C 1-12 500mg/wk
Tren Ace 1-10 75mg EOD

Nolva 20mg ED
B6 200mg ED

You will love this cycle.

TweetI personally wouldn't run tren or deca for a second cycle. Also, Deca i do not recommend for a person your age, or tren very harsh on spermatoza. It will also take a long time to recover from penile dysfunction for most ppl even if testosterone is used. I do not even touch deca anymore for this reason. Your best bet at your stage in the game is to do Cypionate or Enathate @ 500mg/wk for 13wks and Equipoise @ 500mg/wk for 13 wks also. If after 5-7wks you do not start seeing results from the equipoise, (hardening and vascularity in the muscle) you may up to 600, but i don't think you will have a proplem. There is only a 2-3 difference in active half-lives between test cypionate and enathate and equipoise, so you can end them at the same time and start pct two wks after last injects. Run Clomid 300-100-50 for 28-30 days. I alway run either ldex @ .25mg ed thruout cycle up to pct or aromasin @ 12.5mg eod. Some ppl run ldex or aroma thru pct, but i dont think it is necessary with this cycle and it will also help with any water retension during the cycle caused by the test.

TweetThanks for all the replies thus far.

Originally Posted by Testify

Malitz - I am not sure what I was thinking, but it wold be far easier to run Test Prop with the Tren, EOD as was mentioned by badasz32. EOD injects are really not that bad.

Maybe they're not that bad for you, but I'd like to keep the injections as low as possible. I'd like to keep them at 2 per week, at a maximum. I agree though, Prop makes a lot of sense with Tren, but the inconvenience of the injection frequency coupled with the the bad things I've heard about Prop (low grade fever, site injection irritation/soreness) is enough to deter me from using this combination.

Originally Posted by lsu777

shit personally i would just run test because if you only kept 5 pounds last time then you should have know problems gaining 10lbs off of test@500mgs for 10 weeks. But if you want to add something else the I would just do edvedr said

Yeah I hear you, I have no doubt that I could run Test E/C at 500mg/wk and still make great gains. However, as I stated before, I'd really an additional component to help harden up the gains. My biggest concern with running test by itself is the extreme bloat which I experienced on my last cycle, and that was only at 400mg/wk. I had some serious moon face, which is not cool. Personally, I'd rather make solid/harder gains a little more gradually as opposed to blowing up like a blimp as I did on my last cycle.

Originally Posted by mick-G

I personally wouldn't run tren or deca for a second cycle. Also, Deca i do not recommend for a person your age, or tren very harsh on spermatoza. It will also take a long time to recover from penile dysfunction for most ppl even if testosterone is used. I do not even touch deca anymore for this reason. Your best bet at your stage in the game is to do Cypionate or Enathate @ 500mg/wk for 13wks and Equipoise @ 500mg/wk for 13 wks also. If after 5-7wks you do not start seeing results from the equipoise, (hardening and vascularity in the muscle) you may up to 600, but i don't think you will have a proplem. There is only a 2-3 difference in active half-lives between test cypionate and enathate and equipoise, so you can end them at the same time and start pct two wks after last injects. Run Clomid 300-100-50 for 28-30 days. I alway run either ldex @ .25mg ed thruout cycle up to pct or aromasin @ 12.5mg eod. Some ppl run ldex or aroma thru pct, but i dont think it is necessary with this cycle and it will also help with any water retension during the cycle caused by the test.

Dammit Mick, I was hoping you'd let me get away with the Tren. . I think you give very sound advice, so that's a little disappointing, because the Test/Tren cycle definitely has me interested. Would you say this a totally bad idea, even with the addition of HCG?

I'll be 25 this summer. Do you really think that's too young to be using Deca? I generally wouldn't question your judgement, but this is the first time I've been told Deca is too strong for my age. It doesn't really matter, as I will almost certainly not be using it for this cycle anyways.

With respect to the Test/EQ cycle you recommended, my only concern is that it is a little too much gas. I love gains just like everyone else, but I really don't want to become an animal off this cycle. I could be very wrong, but I just want to make sure that I know what to expect. I know everyone is different, but can you approximate how much weight I can expect to gain? When this cycle is months behind me, I'd like to be around 180ish, 185 max. That's kinda why I'm pushing for the shorter Cyp/Tren cycle, as I can expect the gains to be a little less, but a little firmer. I'm definitely not doubting anyone's advice here, just thinking out loud. In the end, I'm going to go with what experience suggests is best for my goals/health.