Tweet100grams of dextrose when i take 10 units.
TweetI have seen that a lot of you guys are using slin- many with great success. I know all about the 10gms of carb per iu rule... and to take a solid food meal about an hour after the shot if using humalog.
I was just looking for some real life examples of how you time your shakes and food and what you eat after your shot. As well as what kind of slin you're using as that makes a big difference in timing.
thanks all--
Tweet100grams of dextrose when i take 10 units.
TweetWhat's your timing like for your solid food meal. I've read that humalog peaks anytime between 1-1.5 hours. Seems like every site i go to says something different.
Any special low fat- high carb/protein meals that strike your fancy?
thanks
Tweet100 grm of dex with 46 grms of whey isolate for me then 1.3 hrs later i eat another high carb high protein meal
TweetI'm using humulin R.
I Use ultimate nutrition massive gainer for most post injection shake.
I take 4 scoops(98g Carbs, 52g Protein) immediatley after injection. 60min Later I eat a chicken breast and rice. 2.5 hours post injection, I eat more rice and a can of tuna. I'm usually snacking on stuff in between as well..
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Tweeti also throw in 10g of creatine with my shake.
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Tweetpost-workout:
2 scoops weight gainer
2 scoops whey
10g glutamine
5g creatine
an hour later or so:
balanced, low/no-fat meal or an MRP if I'm too busy
Tweetpost workout 10-14 ius humalog (10 for shoudler, arms, chest, 14 for legs and back)
right now im bulking so i drink half a World Wide Nutrition XXL shake, about 100g carbs, 25 protein
15 mintues later a Nitro Tech RTD, about 40g whey
and 30minutes to an hour later something like 1/2 lb of chicken breast, eihter oatmeal, or i make a 3 bread slice sandwhich with the chicken and a side salad with FF dressing
TweetRight after my injection (Log) i'll have a shake consisting of 50-60 grams of protein, 110 grams of carbs, 10 grams of creatine and glutimine.
About a half hour after that I'll have something like chicken breast and rice. Then about an hour and a half after the meal, another protien shake.
TweetI have actually found that i dont need the average 10g's of carbs per 1 iu of slin, i can get away with 5-6g's per 1iu of slin.
As for post shot, i down a protein/celltech shake and then about an hour later i eat 2 chicken breasts and 1 cup of rice with some fruit.
Tweeti too can get away with 5-6g of carbs per iu too, but im bulking , heres an intresting post on fructose from CEM, just so u guys may want to save ur fruit for another time,
Regulation of glycogen resynthesis following exercise. Dietary considerations.
Friedman JE, Neufer PD, Dohm GL.
Department of Biochemistry, School of Medicine, East Carolina University, Greenville, North Carolina.
With the cessation of exercise, glycogen repletion begins to take place rapidly in skeletal muscle and can result in glycogen levels higher than those present before exercise. Understanding the rate-limiting steps that regulate glycogen synthesis will provide us with strategies to increase the resynthesis of glycogen during recovery from exercise, and thus improve performance. Given the importance of muscle glycogen to endurance performance, various factors which may optimise glycogen resynthesis rate and insure complete restoration have been of interest to both the scientist and athlete. The time required for complete muscle glycogen resynthesis after prolonged moderate intensity exercise is generally considered to be 24 hours provided approximately 500 to 700g of carbohydrate is ingested. Muscle glycogen synthesis rate is highest during the first 2 hours after exercise. Ingestion of 0.70g glucose/kg bodyweight every 2 hours appears to maximise glycogen resynthesis rate at approximately 5 to 6 mumol/g wet weight/h during the first 4 to 6 hours after exhaustive exercise. Further enhancement of glycogen resynthesis rate with ingestion of greater than 0.70g glucose/kg bodyweight appears to be limited by the constraints imposed by gastric emptying. Ingestion of glucose or sucrose results in similar muscle glycogen resynthesis rates while glycogen synthesis in liver is better served with the ingestion of fructose. Also, increases in muscle glycogen content during the first 4 to 6 hours after exercise are greater with ingestion of simple as compared with complex carbohydrate. Glycogen synthase activity is a key component in the regulation of glycogen resynthesis. Glycogen synthase enzyme exists in 2 states: the less active, more phosphorylated (D) form which is under allosteric control of glucose-6-phosphate, and the more active, less phosphorylated (I) form which is independent of glucose-6-phosphate. There is generally an inverse relationship between glycogen content in muscle and the percentage synthase in the activated (I) form. Exercise and insulin by themselves activate glycogen synthase by conversion to glycogen synthase I. Although small changes in the activity ratio (% I form) can lead to large changes in the rate of glycogen synthesis, glycogen synthase I appears to increase very little (approximately 25%) in response to glycogen depletion and returns to pre-exercise levels as glycogen levels return to normal. Thus glycogen resynthesis, which may increase 3- to 5-fold, may also be influenced by glucose-6-phosphate, which can activate glycogen synthase in the D form.(
Also:
Effects of glucose or fructose feeding on glycogen repletion in muscle and liver after exercise or fasting.
Conlee RK, Lawler RM, Ross PE.
In athletics, muscle and liver glycogen content is critical to endurance. This study compared the effectiveness of glucose and fructose feeding on restoring glycogen content after glycogen was decreased by exercise (90-min swim) or fasting (24 h). After 2 h of recovery from either exercise or fasting there was no measurable glycogen repletion in red vastus lateralis muscle in response to fructose. In contrast, glucose feeding induced a similar and significant carbohydrate storage after both depletion treatments (8.44 mumol X g-1 X 2 h-1). In the liver, following 2 h of recovery, the rates of glycogen storage were similar after either glucose or fructose ingestion, but fasting caused a greater rate of repletion (83 mumol X g-1 X 2 h-1) than exercise (50 mumol X g-1 X 2 h-1). After 4 h of recovery fructose-fed exercised animals had the highest glycogen concentration (165 mumol X g-1) followed by the glucose-fed exercised group (119 mumol X g-1). These values were 50 and 36%, respectively, of that measured in the normal-fed liver (327 mumol X g-1). In contrast, liver glycogen values in the fasted group decreased between the 2nd and 4th hour of recovery in response to both feeding regimens. From these results we conclude that fructose is a poor nutritional precursor for rapid glycogen restoration in muscle after exercise, but that both glucose and fructose promote rapid accumulation of glycogen in the liver.
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TweetImmediately after shot for 10IU's
100g dextrose, 60g whey, 10g creatine, 10g glutamine
1 hr after shot
50g dextrose, 60g whey, 10g creatine, 10g glutamine
2 hr after shot
12 egg whites, 30g whey/caseinate mix
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Tweettake 15iu of log,
immediately consume 50g whey protein and 50g dextrose
an hour later i have another 50g whey and more carbs, usually half dextrose and half maltodextrin
then another hour later ill have a meal with protein and carbs, usually rice or pasta with chicken or 93% hamburger
ill sip on a soda or gatorade somtime throughout this time period, or after.
if im active during this time like washing the car etc...ill usually take an extra 25-50g carbs per meal, or ill go major hypo.
Tweet15iu's humalog post workout and sometimes 15ius am but rarely.
I drink one carbo force(110g carbs) with creatine glutamine and whey protein religously right after shot.
Then I basically eat as much as I can for the next two hours. I watched it really close at first, but I have had no problem with fat gain or hypo. If I ever start having problems with fat, I will start to watch it closer.
I also carry glucose tabs and make sure I am taking in carbs steadily for a couple hours after shot. Usually sip on gatorade.