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Originally Posted by thefantom1

I disagree about the clomid causing all the problems you guys are complaining of... the problem is that its after your cycle and your estrogen level is skyrocketing while your test level is plunging...so we basically turn into a female (all emotional and weepy and stuff) due to the high estrogen.. now what do we normaly take at the end of a cycle to get our Nuts back working??? CLOMID... so what do we automatically blame for the emotional roller coaster??? CLOMID....when actually its the high estrogen. Now for those that take the novladex and don't have complaints...well, duh.... novladex lowers the amount of estrogen when taken.. See my point ????

thanks doc, you are entitled to your opinions, but the fact remains that for a lot of guys, myself included who have done many pcts, i ran clomid once, could not even tolerate it all the way thru pct due to the sides, switched to nolva and came off just fine with no sides. have run every pct after that with nolva and recovered just fine with no sides.

TweetWith colmid no, but when on a cycle i can get agrivated easily, but i don't know if its the aas or the ldex?

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Originally Posted by TSR1969

thanks doc, you are entitled to your opinions, but the fact remains that for a lot of guys, myself included who have done many pcts, i ran clomid once, could not even tolerate it all the way thru pct due to the sides, switched to nolva and came off just fine with no sides. have run every pct after that with nolva and recovered just fine with no sides.

Doc?? Not sure if that was a jab or what.... and you must of missed my point in my post... When you use novla PCT it immediately lowers the amount of estrogen, thus you don't get all the high estrogen side effects (all the emotional stuff that was discussed) When Clomid is used it doesn't lower estrogen nearly as much (my opinion) and thus you get the high estrogen side effects...

I would recommed using both PCT... the Clomid to stimulate FSH and LH and the novla to combat estrogen side effects....

But..who am I?

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Originally Posted by thefantom1

Doc?? Not sure if that was a jab or what.... and you must of missed my point in my post... When you use novla PCT it immediately lowers the amount of estrogen, thus you don't get all the high estrogen side effects (all the emotional stuff that was discussed) When Clomid is used it doesn't lower estrogen nearly as much (my opinion) and thus you get the high estrogen side effects...

I would recommed using both PCT... the Clomid to stimulate FSH and LH and the novla to combat estrogen side effects....

But..who am I?

i see what you mean bro. it makes sense to me. my last 2 pct were like this. clomid and hcg...this one sucked
hcg 5000ius day 1
clomid 300-100-50

and DS to answer your question...YES after that 1st day of 300 clomid and the hcg shot i was one pist off bastard for like 2 days. honest to god it was severe anger for no reason. then after that i was SO pleasant and calm, very sappy. no sex drive and i never recovered before my next cycle. i know stupid...live and learn.

then after that next cycle ended i ran clomid the same with 20mgs of nolva ED. and i felt great. drop in libido but still always able to perform and now back to a normal sex drive. not happy about bein normal because my natural test levels are normally high. but i did abuse. some cycles were as long as 12 months, which i won't do anymore.

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Originally Posted by thefantom1

Doc?? Not sure if that was a jab or what.... and you must of missed my point in my post... When you use novla PCT it immediately lowers the amount of estrogen, thus you don't get all the high estrogen side effects (all the emotional stuff that was discussed) When Clomid is used it doesn't lower estrogen nearly as much (my opinion) and thus you get the high estrogen side effects...

I would recommed using both PCT... the Clomid to stimulate FSH and LH and the novla to combat estrogen side effects....

But..who am I?

I did miss your point. so you are saying that clomid for pct and nolva to get rid of the emotions that would be present with just clomid?

Tweeti THINK he means it has that effect. but not its sole purpose