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Originally Posted by metalhead60

I'm about to start a cycle of sust 250 for 8-10 weeks with tren for the last 4 weeks. I've got plenty of clomid for pct, but I wanted to run something throughout the cycle to keep estrogen related side-effects down. I can't find any nolva, so I was thinking of 6-OXO. I know its weak but it does work somewhat, and its all I can get my hands on. Will this have any adverse effects on my gains? Am I wasting my time? Basically I just want to keep the bloat down to a minimum and reduce the risk of gyno. I've done tren before but without a test (bad idea, I know) so I know how to deal with that. Also, I have the option of running cyp 200 instead of sust. I know there's cyp in sust, so should I just stick with the sust? Any comments are appreciated.

give me ur stats first and how many cycles have u done?????well ox6 is a waste.With Suts250 u won't hold a lot of water if u get ur diet clean.... and in sust there is 4 blends of test adn there is no cypionate in sust, unless if u mix 1 cc of sust adn 1 cc of cyp, if that what u meant.....

TweetId run anastrozole @ .25mg ed and you'll be fine.

TweetI'm about 5' 8" and 160, and I'm 22 and have been lifting for several years. I've only done one previous cycle and it was fina only, which I learned was a bad idea to take without a test or proviron. Anyway I gained roughly 15 lbs and I've retained everything. My mistake about the cyp in sust, I thought that was the long acting ester in sust, but I guess its decanoate instead. That being said is there any advantages of sust over cyp, or vice versa? Also, is there anything I can take to keep the bloat down? I hear that limiting your intake of sodium can limit water retention. Lastly, will the clomid be sufficient for pct? I obviously want to keep as much as I can.

TweetAnastrozole is an anti-e and will help keep the bloat down, but you should'nt have much if any with sust and tren. BTW, I don't personally think your old enough to be using aas. Never use the tren for a first or even a secound cycle. You should be at least 25yrs in my book. You want to become sterile or inhibit your nat growth?? Why don't you just take some time off the aas and do some research and study up so when the time comes you can make a mature decision. I know your prob not thinking about having kids or your natural body growth at this time in your life, but there may be a time later when you will regret not waiting. Whats the rush?? and don't let the peer pressure to get big and muscular make you hasty. Try to get to your nat potential first with diet, training, and good sleep.

TweetWell I hate to say it but Mick-g is right about the age, even though so many teens do it and early 20's doesn't mean it is right. My buddy got me to do it when I was 19, and did I blow up yes. Then I got into studying about, and learning everything I could. I started out on sus 250, It is great, but you want notice anything for about 4 to 6 weeks. I waited a couple more years before starting back. Everyone told me not to do it so young, but I had trained hard for 2 years after my 1st cycle, no growth, same weight. I was getting bummed out about it. Don't be in a rush to start taking aas. Make sure you got everything you need for your whole cycle. Don't lie to us and say you do have stuff when you don't. We are here to help. Make sure you take the same amount of time off as you do on.

I know you want listen about the age thing,but if you do listen to one thing. Then do it right. Don't rush it. Cause there is some many different things you can add to a cycle, diet , workouts, etc. Get the hard facts first, and ask alot of questions.

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Tweetcyp is a much better option IMO....Unless you inject, ed, or EoD, you waste too much test from the short esters.
Get cyp, and shoot 2cc once a week, and be done(if it is 200mg/ml)

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Originally Posted by pigmeat

cyp is a much better option IMO....Unless you inject, ed, or EoD, you waste too much test from the short esters.
Get cyp, and shoot 2cc once a week, and be done(if it is 200mg/ml)

YUP!! If you havent already got the Sustanon. I wouldnt. Not yet at least. Sust is a multi estered test with the shortest ester being Test Prop. SO you have to base all your injections off of the shortest ester to keep your blood levels stable. Who wants to shoot ED or EOD?? IF you have to you have to but why not just get Test E or Cyp and make it easier with E3D or 2X a week injections? Here is a chart showing how out of whack your blood levels will be.

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Originally Posted by Stout1

YUP!! If you havent already got the Sustanon. I wouldnt. Not yet at least. Sust is a multi estered test with the shortest ester being Test Prop. SO you have to base all your injections off of the shortest ester to keep your blood levels stable. Who wants to shoot ED or EOD?? IF you have to you have to but why not just get Test E or Cyp and make it easier with E3D or 2X a week injections? Here is a chart showing how out of whack your blood levels will be.

What they both said (although i must say stout has visual aids pig - he one-upped you.) sust is a poor choice imo for the reasons these guys said. as you are going to do this anyway, get liquid nolva from one of our sponsers, and actually your source should be able to get you nolva, unless you are paying gym prices and getting it from some guy who's never heard of nolva and he';s the guy who told you to get oxo6 or whatever that is. . dont f with the prohormones, at least with aas, or pharmaceutical stuff you know for sure what it does, not what gnc tells you it will do. have everything you need on hand and if your not sure on pct, do a search there's plenty of info on this board for you. clomid sucks for pct imo, nolva has way less sides. be sure you find out what tamox your getting, the ratio of tamox and tamox citrate is like 1.5, so for 20mgs of tamox you need 30mgs of tamox citrate (most liqs are citrate). what ester is the tren? 8 weeks is too short imo, and at 250/wk i doubt you will get that much aromatasing (sp?). also 4 weeks of tren is a bit short imo, and for your second cycle i dont think you need anything but test. have bromo or cabaser on hand in case tren spikes your prolactin, and if you dont understand everything i've typed, you need to keep reading and searching until you do. but ur 22 so you will do it anyway, just remember if you take aas wrong, you will get shit for gains and you will f-up your body

Tweeti agree wt all of them

TweetThanks to everyone who gave me advice and constructive criticism. This is exactly the reason I joined this site. My source is pretty solid, but he claims that he can only get me clomid, so I guess I'll have to find the nolva somewhere else. Should I run it throughout the cycle and post, or should I just use it for pct? TSR, you mentioned liquid nolva from site sponsers? More info on this would be great, if that's even a possibility. Thanks again.

TweetHas anyone heard of a site called dont post things like this in open forum? If so, is it legit? I'm sorry if this is an unanswerable question.

Tweetblends should be injected atleast e3d. eod is better.

Tweeti was going to post a link, but i see someone killed one you posted. go to our sponers sites and get liquidnolva. ask, but its prob tamox citrate so remember to take 1.5 amount to equal tamox