TweetOk here's the deal. I had my next cycle all planned out til I read the following article. It seems to make a lot of sense. I had intended on running a 15 week dbol, prop, fina, eq, winny lean mass cycle. It sounded good but the following seems to make more sense especially for me.

I'm 28yo, 6', 203lbs at around 10% bf. I've only done two real cycles. I still have a TON of room for growth. So I'm now thinking that a 4 week on, 2week cruising cycle for at least 24 weeks will give me the foundation that I'm looking for. After this foundation is built I can work on the details.

The "old cycle" idea:
1-5 280mg dbol ew "40 ed"
1-15 700mg prop ew "100 ed"
1-12 600mg eq
1-15 525mg fina ew "75 ed"
10-15 350mg winny ed "50 ed"

Total mg's:
1-5 = 2105
6-9 = 1825
10-15 = 2175

New cycle idea: 1.5ml ed of EQL 100mg prop/ 75mg fina combo
1-4 1050mg prop "150 ed"
1-4 787.5mg fina "112.5 ed"
Total mg's = 1837.5 ew

2 weeks cruising:
100 mg prop eod
nolva and hcg.
L-dex all the way through entire cycle

Repeat 4 weeks on 2 weeks cruising for at least 24 weeks.

As you can see the total mg's are about the same. I'm just using them towards the mass compounds.

Let's hear it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some word of wisdome from a very intelligent BB. These are not my words.
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Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria.

Question:
When you said a gram or two of test thats weekly, right? If so, its too much for me, I would just need to adjust everything down to about 500-600 mgs of test and 75mgs fina eod. This does make alot of sense.
Tks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry bout that, I wrote that post quickly and I should of been a little more responsible with saying-those dosages are what I am seeing superheavies who have been around for a while doing. I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors...1)I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks(i only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy
3) I think its of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated hpta wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggresion and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.

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If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles.

with all due respect, I seriously doubt that a BBer who starts out at 2 grams of T a week will tap out anytime soon. It takes years of cycling before one reaches their genetic limit. I've known people who were heavy users(1.5grams/week w/o taking time off) who went back to low to moderate doses and still made great gains. I'm not advocating taking excessive amounts all the time. I'm just saying that it takes years before you"tap out".