TweetI would also like to commend the members who have posted on this thread on their reserve and demonstrated common-sense adivce on this subject. In the insane world of internet chatrooms and forums, this is refreshing to see.

Sincerely,
PL456

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TweetDONT TOUCH THE JUICE>FOR GODS SAKE MAN DONT DO IT LISTEN TO US!!!!!!!!! =) please?

TweetI suspect he's gonna do it anyway, he sounds like a know-it-all kid. ("I'm stubborn" etc.)

But, d-bols, test and Fina for an 17yr old 1st timer!

You know what? If he doesn't listen to what he's told here, he can't say he wasn't warned.

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Originally posted by Venom57
if your not growing on what your eating now, what makes you think youll grow when your on aas? Its not a miracle substance, it helps, but it wont move mountains. The toughest part isnt even the training, but taking in quality calories. Keep track of your meals and calories, if your not growning, then add more. Keep doing this till you start gaining weight. Wait on the steroids.

you didn't read the whole paragraph i dont think, i said i have gained 3 pounds in a month and a half... and i am willing to keep eating like nuts... no pain no game i said (well i didnt say it, i just copied that from someone else ha)... im serious about this, im not some punk who is just gunna do some roids

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Originally posted by C & C
Heres another way to think about it too. You do 1 cycle and your test will be shut down. Do your pct and its almost back to wear it was if everything works out. Do another cycle and its lowered again. Now after many cycle you'll need 300mg a week of test on your off times. Why not wait till your test levels are already falling so you dont end up being 30 and continuosly on a dose of test.

The average man only produces 2 grams of test his whole life, i'll be taking in about 7 to 9 in my cycle, its not like you need test constantly... and why not wait? because i have peaked, i have switched up everything up... none of you know me and are questioning my character, and thats fine, but i assure you, i used to be very skeptical of anabolics and deemed them as an evil drug. Once i learned more i realized that they could help solve my problem....
thank you for all your replies as well, keep em comming... i'm going to post a cycle journal, so if something retarted happens to me you can laugh and say i told you so... but as you all know, nothing bad will happen to me if i take the proper precautions and have the anti-estrogens handy... i wont grow anymore, but im 5'11", im tall enough!... i dont wanna be freaky tall, and i assure you, i havent grown in over a year

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Originally posted by Berzerker
I suspect he's gonna do it anyway, he sounds like a know-it-all kid. ("I'm stubborn" etc.)

But, d-bols, test and Fina for an 17yr old 1st timer!

You know what? If he doesn't listen to what he's told here, he can't say he wasn't warned.

ha, hopefully i do know enough to make a decision, if i wasnt a know it all kid, that would be worse i'd think... but no, i put this forum up to learn more, if i thought i knew it all why would i post a "help for a NEWBIE please" forum...

(seriously tho) explain why i should be warned for taking all those my first time? i've seen a lot bigger, and similar first time cycles in the journals... please answer that tho, because i dont want to take to much

Tweet1) ur taking too much. my first cycle was durateston 250s 1 cc a week for 10 weeks. thats only 250mg!! i gained 20lbs off that cycle. not sayin ur gonna get the same results but yea u will definately get some. u will get size and strength if u take everything u said u were goin to, but the truth is just a little bit of juice is gonna cause a big reaction in ur body due to the fact that the average person doesn't even make 15mg of test in their body a day. some people are as low as 7 mg, and that is still considered normal. if i were u i would take 200-300mg of the testosterone cypionate thats only if ur mind is set on taking anabolic steroids, which it shouldn't be.
2) u may of stopped growing but ur muscles haven't stopped maturing. i would at least wait till u hit 20. that was my mistake, i also started when i was 17, so take it from and these other guys. i wish i didnt do them so early, but for me gettin big for football was my goal and i took any means to get there. i shouldn't even be talking bcuz i did them at 17 but i definately would of waited if i could go back in time. i just hope u'll at least give it another year and if its still plateauing then its more understandable bcuz at least u waited another year. i hope this wasn't rambling for u and i hoped it helped u

TweetHow come you regret starting at 17?
How will the steriods affect my muscle growth? Will it stop it completely?

TweetFrom what I hear, I'm leaning towards a starter cycle of 200-400mg of test cyp a week for 2-3 months, and not the rest... from what a number of you have told me, that seems to be enough for a first cycle... but then i think more and d-bol will help jump start me right away and i wont have to wait for the test to kick in... and then i think even more and i want to take all three... i'll make sure to conserve the doages

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Originally posted by MartinOrr
The average man only produces 2 grams of test his whole life, i'll be taking in about 7 to 9 in my cycle, its not like you need test constantly... and why not wait? because i have peaked, i have switched up everything up... none of you know me and are questioning my character, and thats fine, but i assure you, i used to be very skeptical of anabolics and deemed them as an evil drug. Once i learned more i realized that they could help solve my problem....
thank you for all your replies as well, keep em comming... i'm going to post a cycle journal, so if something retarted happens to me you can laugh and say i told you so... but as you all know, nothing bad will happen to me if i take the proper precautions and have the anti-estrogens handy... i wont grow anymore, but im 5'11", im tall enough!... i dont wanna be freaky tall, and i assure you, i havent grown in over a year

The only 'problem' you have is self esteem and a lack of knowledge about AAS.

'Peaked"? LOL. AT 17 you don't even know what your peak is! You just said you gained 3 pounds in a month and a half but you think you've peaked?!?

You didn't come here for advice, you came here for confirmation. Not going to happen, because you physically DO NOT need AAS at this point in your life.

TweetClearly I came here for advice or I wouldn't be asking questions, and my opinion wouldn't be changing... and one point you need to understand is no one needs AAS at any point in their life... thats an obvious, so I guess you're right, I don't need it at this point in my life, I just want it at this point in my life... and yes you are right, maybe I haven't totally peaked, hard work without AAS will result in gains, but I am looking for bigger gains now... so both those argments are baseless, because no one needs steroids, and peaks can obviously be broken with hard work and no steroids

If my only problem as you say is self-esteem and lack of knowledge then I would have to disagree with you... i'm not an ignorant punk who thought one day, "oh, huh steroids=big, i should go on them". I'm not the most knowledgable person on them, but a friend who is advising me on them has a sick amount of knowledge. I could ask him a question about any suppliment or anabolic and he would know it, and have numerous sources for it... I would be stupid if I thought I knew everyhitng and didn't go for someone more learned for advice, like my friend, and you people...
And self-esteem? can you explain your acusation for that... i'm impressed tho, i didnt know we had physiologists amoungst us on this forum... maybe you can tell me why I have trouble sleeping some nights... just keep it to the physical aspect because those are the questions i need help with... thank you