TweetThe aches and pains are due to the fact your Hgh intake is too high for you. I would cut back to 2 iu's p/d and see if that make a difference. Body joints are a side effect of high does of Hgh. I get swollen hands if my Hgh intake is too much. Plus the hgh I take is Nutropin Depot, a long acting Hgh that only requires 1 injection per month. Yes, my entire 1 month dose into one injection you read that correctly. Genentech is the manufacture and its the best keept secret of Hgh users. Look into in. I love it, i get great increases in my IGF-1 levels maintained for 30 days and the pure convience is priceless. Also, Hgh does help you sleep better. Why do you think children sleep for so long and heavy. There Hgh levels are through the roof during there growing periods.

TweetHow long do you have to stay on GH to see best results?

TweetAll Hgh are not from the same cloth. I have not use somaject's, but i know its imported and I personaly do not like imported Hgh. Yes, I would agree with you ironfist, everyone will respond different to Hgh. Do not look at the iu's ones take to gauge side effects with iu's, it is not uncommon that people like yourself use 9 iu's of serostim p/d and see no side effects. I also took serosim with the hologram at 9iu's p/d and no side effects. The only way to tell if the Hgh your taking is working to first obtain a IGF-1 baseline test to see were your levels are at. Go on your Hgh of choice for 2 months and retest your levels again. If your IGF-1 increases by 50% or greater, then your in good shape. I personally feel the Serostim (serono) is the worst Hgh out there. I was taking 9 iu's p/d as well, and only seen a 20% increase in my IGF-1. That is not good. Now I switched to Nutropin depot, 22.5mg kit (67.5 iu's) and ontained a 90% increase in my IGF-1 on 2.25 iu's per day. Best off, its one shot per month. Yes, one injection only. Serostim and the company serono are like the *****s of the BioTech industry. I am in the business, and there reputation in the medical community is least desired. Very poor quality control on there Hgh. That is why you need to take high doses of there Hgh to see any results. If you took 9 iu's p/d of Nutropin Depot, your hands & arms will be so swollen, you would have no blood circulation at all. The only reason why people still use serostim b/c its easy to obtain. 126 iu kit last 14 days at 9 iu's p/d. I am getting better results with less iu's with Nutropin depot with only one injection per month. That is cutting edge science. All for the same cost.

Tweetsides are usually your body's way of telling you that something needs to be changed, unless they are good sides

Tweetit is my understanding that the physical affects seen within your body (such as increased GH levels) are VERY short lived, hence multiple daily injections

would this testing you mentioned work for the normal short acting GH versions? or only for the longer acting version you mentioned (nutropin depot)

reason i am asking is that guys don't get a baseline IGF level done when on serono, then go out and get another one done several months later and have it be the same, when the reason simply is that the GH they took that day or what not is already out of the system

please elaborate

also, i've heard that the nutropin depot isn't as effective for bodybuilding purposes because NATURALLY GH is released in pulses (as it is during puberty) and that by having a constant supply of GH in your system it makes is less affective than injecting daily in larger doses to "mimic" the pulse release you experience during puberty

Tweetsomaject, week 3, and i love it. abs are slimmin, muscle seem to be rounding. let you know in a few monthz about resultz