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Originally posted by Extranero
I don't mind a little bloat and I don't care if my bodyfat goes up. I'm looking for raw size. Losing weight is easy for me.

In that case I would drop the Arimidex! Those are the two things people use Arimidex to prevent, at the expense of bulking up faster.

If bulk is what you want then I strongly recommend adding 400mg per week of Deca.

Tweet[If bulk is what you want then I strongly recommend adding 400mg per week of Deca. [/B][/QUOTE]

deca is a good choice for size and strength gains and because you are on hrt the fact that deca shuts you down wont matter.

i wouldnt totally drop the armidex i drop it back to 10 mg ed but i dont get gyno or bloat bad.

also bump up the d-bol to 50mg ed that will blow you up brother.

enanthate is perfect and you dont need proviron



Week 1- 5 D-Bol 50 mg ED
Week 1-12 Test ethanate - 500 mg week
wk 1-12 deca or eq 400mg wk

if you eat enough and train hard enough i will bet you can easily break 20# with the right dedication brother.

Tweetthats the same my buddy's gonna run. Hes a skinny mofo, so dbol and test it is.

TweetI don't recommend orals for a first time cycler, but at 43 I would never advise d-bol anavar would be the only oral I'd suggest, in your 3rd or 4th cycle. Do a test only cycle Bro you love it. Go to the Dr have your hormones checked you may be a candidate for HRT

JohnnyB

TweetForgot about the bulking part. Your diet will determine how much you'll gain or lose.

JohnnyB

Tweetdid you copy my cycle???

https://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/s...threadid=30519


mine is almost exactly the same and if i had it all over again i would drop the d-bol, substitute prop... not sure what i am gonna do...

murph

TweetMurph, I didn't copy it but i should have. It would have been less homework! Why drop the d-bol and use prop? Not sure I can get prop.

Ok, sounds like a lot of bros say add deca. When and how much? Will that change my PCT?

JohnnyB why no orals? I don't drink, liver is good. Diet looks to be in the 4000 cal, 350g protien range. Maintenance for me is 2300 cal.

Thanks for the input. Keep it coming...

TweetMurph, what kind of results so far?

TweetTake 400mg per week Deca from week 1-12

Your PCT starts one week later, so start on the 15th week. Or stop Deca in the 11th week and then PCT doesn't change.

Tweetyea bro run the deca instead

Tweetd-bol just too many concerns - hair, gyno, bloat, temporary gains- but it does not mean it will effect you in a bad way... in my case i do not think I am going to risk it, will sacrafice the gains....

i start in 3 weeks...

murph

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Originally posted by Extranero
JohnnyB why no orals? I don't drink, liver is good. Diet looks to be in the 4000 cal, 350g protien range. Maintenance for me is 2300 cal.

Thanks for the input. Keep it coming...

At our age the body doesn't heal as quick as it did, not to mention d-bol isn't the best thing for your blood pressure. Oral are more for advanced users that are starting see their gains slowing. Anavar is 1 oral that can be used safely by seasoned Bros like ourselves I believe that introducing 1 compound at a time to your cycles is the best way to know what your body reacts to and what it doesn't.

JohnnyB

TweetI would run the armidex from the start. If you wait until week 2, gyno may already set in. Trust me, I got made the same mistake thinking that I would be fine without for a few weeks since I used all long esters, and got gyno first week!