TweetHey bud. I wouldnt take toomuch test for cutting for sure. 500MAX. i think 400 would even do. and yes i am the same way as u i cant take winny.. clen/test/cardio are all you need bro. dunno if u ever used t3 or not but it eats muscle very bad(even on AS)

I wouldnt do all those at once either bro if you take clen/t3/keto diet/1 hour cardio your gona loss So much weight so fast which is not good loss 2 lbs /wk trust me on this, i lost 30lbs this summer. went from 20% to 10% but i lost shit load of muscle with it . WHich sux ass next time ill know better. Personally i wouldnt even bother with keto i want my carbs pre/post workout so i can have a good workout. Good luck bud

TweetI would run the test at 500-750 mg. You want to run enough as you dont lose muscle while cutting. Test will not hinder your ability to cut,, as that is determined by your diet,and excercise program. Hell, you can cut with d-bol if you have your diet in check.

Tweet750mg is way too much for cutting. you could eat 1/2 bmr and not lose any weight with that much test.

i use test enanthate @ 250mg every 6 days. its very good for cutting because there is enough testosterone to keep you from going catabolic. and there is enough estrogen for leptin production (hunger supression). having too many androgens with increase hunger and having too little estrogen with increase hunger. cutting is about diet. you should make it easy to follow by giving your body the right balance

TweetThe winny alone should be enough to preserve your muscle. I would suggest either running HCG along with your cycle or run a low dose of test such as 200mg/week.

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Originally posted by prophet
750mg is way too much for cutting. you could eat 1/2 bmr and not lose any weight with that much test.

i use test enanthate @ 250mg every 6 days. its very good for cutting because there is enough testosterone to keep you from going catabolic. and there is enough estrogen for leptin production (hunger supression). having too many androgens with increase hunger and having too little estrogen with increase hunger. cutting is about diet. you should make it easy to follow by giving your body the right balance

I personally have cut running 100 mg ed of prop,along with 500mg EQ, and 75 mg fina ed. You contradicted yourself bro, as you plainly stated, "cutting is about diet". Not AAS. The object of cutting is to lose fat. Not wieght! If you can drop body fat and still gain wieght,then you are better off, and as far as i know, Test will not make you fat. Diet will!

Tweeti would keep AS to min. in cutting i have tried high doses in cutting its a waist of gear IMO. but i guess every one is dif.

TweetWhat prophet said.

Tweet500mg is good enough,

i ran my previous cutter of t3/clen/eca,supported by 500mg test cypionate and winny later on,and lost hardly any muscle.

cheers

Tweeti am using test cyp at 450mgs E5D, w/1mg ldex ed. i am also cycling T3/eca, it is working great... good luck

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Originally posted by BullFX
i would keep AS to min. in cutting i have tried high doses in cutting its a waist of gear IMO. but i guess every one is dif.

how do you figure it is a waste? I dont know about you, but I like to cut, and drop body fat,not muscle. It is very possible to drop high percentage body fat,without dropping much weight, if any, but only if you use enough AAS to prevent muscle loss. I guess whatever floats your boats

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Originally posted by pigmeat
I personally have cut running 100 mg ed of prop,along with 500mg EQ, and 75 mg fina ed. You contradicted yourself bro, as you plainly stated, "cutting is about diet". Not AAS. The object of cutting is to lose fat. Not wieght! If you can drop body fat and still gain wieght,then you are better off, and as far as i know, Test will not make you fat. Diet will!

my response in order:

1. good for you. i bet you are still fat
2. "cutting is about diet" this is true (you can read) but taking androgens in excess will make dieting impossible. (i.e Hunger)
taking just enough to keep you from going catabolic is ideal.
3.i don't know anyone that cuts fat without losing weight. even the pro's lose tons of weight when cutting for a show (ever think of that)
4. Testosterone will make you fat. the conversion through aromatase to estradiol along with inhibiting the production of TSH - lowering total thyroid output. will all lead to a fatter you

Tweetpigmeat,

post a pic!

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Originally posted by prophet
pigmeat,

post a pic!

Everyone is diff. Alot of it has to do with your body fat%. If you are only 12% or so, and cutting, you wont lose much wieght.