TweetI used Sust (500mg/wk) for 10wks on my first cycle alone. I gained about 23lbs and kept it all.


I woudlnt do Deca only. You should have some form of testosterone in your body at all times (IMO).

TweetBilly...From what I have read, it seems that sust will put me more at risk for hair loss, acne, high bp, etc. than Deca. But Deca seems to put on more H2O gains. Is this true?

TweetEh..I would say it was true exactly.

At 500mg/wk, for me, the sides were so small that I didnt even notice them (or maybe I really had none). If your prone to hair loss, acne, or bp any cycle can make it worse. Certain things like winny, proviron, or primo can be very hard on the hair. Certain things like test, anadrol, or tren can be very hard on the BP. Same with acne, some break out bad on test, others break out bad on tren.

Deca IMO is more mild, but it is very suppressive, it converts to prog-estrone which is much harder to manage, possible proclatin increase, sexual disfunction from low-no testosterone. As for the water, its been said that Deca can increase IM fat, which may lead to a bloat looking symptom, but most of the actual water retention is from estrogen related compounds. In a way, this may make Deca have a disadvantage since it would be harder to combat. There is nothing you can take to prevent any hair loss from deca. Most people shouldnt get much from it, but some may.


If you run Test you could take proscar (saw palmeto) for the hair or prostate functions. Acne you could use a daily cleanser, Vit B-5, or even as much as Accutane if nessicary. High BP from test is most likely caused from edema (water retention). You can combat that by using an anti estrogen such as Aromasin, or you can take a mild diuretic such as dandelion root. I would recommend the anti-e though.


If you do want to run deca say 400-600mg/wk, I would recommend adding the lowest dose test possible (350mg/wk IMO) to help with sexual functions and it may make recovery easier. If you are dead set against it, my next suggestion would be to run Proviron along with it in the 50-100mg/day range. If you hair loss prone, that may be a bad idea though. In that case, my last choice would be to use a low dose of Dbol (10-20mg) Ed throughout the entire cycle, as the Dbol will help a little bit for the low test.



Overall, IMO Deca will produce the most undesirable and uncontrollable side effects over Test. Test will however IMO give the most side effects total. Test are much easier to combat though.


Test 500mg/wk
25mg Aromasin EOD
500-1000mg Sawpalmetto or 1mgProscar ED
1-5g Vit B-5

Is a very close to 0 side effect cycle IMO. I ran the above with none of the ancillary precautions and experienced no side effects still.

Side effects seem to be very overrated. Ive gone as high as 1500mg/wk Test with no problems while only taking 25mg Aromasin ED.

EQ can make me sweat alot more from increased RBC. Tren can make me break out just a little bit more.

The only thing I really experienced bad sides from was winny. Joint pain, slight prostate enlargement, and hair loss. That was at 100mgED btw.

Tweeti only used 200mg of deca and i enjoyed my gains, my bench went up like 60lbs and i gained about 30'lbs

TweetI would run them together,
500mg/week of Test for 10 weeks
300-400mg/week of Deca for 10 weeks

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Originally posted by Small
I would run them together,
500mg/week of Test for 10 weeks
300-400mg/week of Deca for 10 weeks

Me too.

TweetThanks fellas...Sounds like a plan, Deca and the Test. Now could Sustanol 250 be an acceptable form of Test witht the Deca?

TweetSustanon with Deca is a good plan, IMO. Both have decanoate ester, so timing for Clomid is easier.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Sustanon, well, as well as other brands of Test, lol...I'm confusing myself sometimes.

TweetNolva alone could work as an anti-e? Will I need proviron with it or could I get away without it? And with the clomid, start it at the end of the cycle? or near the end?

Tweeti used 250mg week of sust and gained almsot 20

TweetHell yes and that's what I suggest. Sustanon might be easier to handle for a newbie. If doing Deca alone, be sure to taper down so post-cycle recovery won't be a pain in the ass.

TweetManny...If I do sus and Deca 2gether, should I taper both or just the deca? what will the post-cycle recovery be like? Will I feel like s**t?

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Originally posted by Redfoot
Manny...If I do sus and Deca 2gether, should I taper both or just the deca? what will the post-cycle recovery be like? Will I feel like s**t?

If using both, I would first go with 250 mg of sust and 200 mg of deca, this way no need for tappering. The "taper down" technique is useful when using Deca alone or high dosage of deca with something else.