TweetDoing a little cutting cycle starting in March just wanted some feedback or opinions.

Test Enth...500mg/week....weeks 1-12
Anavar...60mg/day...weeks 1-6
Tren Ace...50mg eod...weeks 6-12
Winny...60mg/day...weeks 6-12

Going to run some Letro (1.25mg every other day during the tren ace...so weeks 6-12.
Also have some Proviron on hand...never ran it before? should i throw it in and which weeks/dosages?

PCT:
Clomid...50/50/25/25
Nolva...40/40/20/20
HCG...never have ran it before so looking at dosage advice please?

Thanks in advance

TweetYou can certainly cut with that. Tren ace and winny together is likely to make you feel bad. At least I had to stop 2 weeks in with that combo. Your lipid profile will also be crushed!

Some guys prefer prop over a long ester test. I prefer less pins in me. At that dose you should not have estrogenic sides. I would deal more with the tren and the progestin sides. The letro will prevent gyno from estrogens but but will not help with the tren until the progestins are turned to estrogen enzymatically.

I would run a low dose of caber with the tren. The winny has a mild anti E effect that will do fine at that dose. I do not think you will have any probs not running the letro.

As for the proviron, I would run it with any cycle. It like winny is a mild anti E but has an affinity to bind to SHBG which allows more free test to assert upon the androgen receptor.

I have not cycled in 15 years and things have changed but this is my $.02

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Originally Posted by jipped genes

You can certainly cut with that. Tren ace and winny together is likely to make you feel bad. At least I had to stop 2 weeks in with that combo. Your lipid profile will also be crushed!

Some guys prefer prop over a long ester test. I prefer less pins in me. At that dose you should not have estrogenic sides. I would deal more with the tren and the progestin sides. The letro will prevent gyno from estrogens but but will not help with the tren until the progestins are turned to estrogen enzymatically.

I would run a low dose of caber with the tren. The winny has a mild anti E effect that will do fine at that dose. I do not think you will have any probs not running the letro.

As for the proviron, I would run it with any cycle. It like winny is a mild anti E but has an affinity to bind to SHBG which allows more free test to assert upon the androgen receptor.

I have not cycled in 15 years and things have changed but this is my $.02

Letro is so damn strong that he will need 3 blood tests a week. Just get some noveldex.

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

How much caber should I run with the tren?

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I wouldn't use caber unless you start getting gyno from TREN. Most don't and caber isn't very cheap first find out if you'll need it at all.

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TweetI also have armidex on hand which I have never used before either...but that is something you would run the whole cycle at like 0.5mg twice a week?

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

How much caber should I run with the tren?

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

I also have armidex on hand which I have never used before either...but that is something you would run the whole cycle at like 0.5mg twice a week?

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so cycle looks good for a good lean run. now some pointers and ways to offset some issues. for starters dont use either the dex letro or caber unless you need them according to blood work or if you are trying to get stage ready. need bloods for prolactin for the caber and estro for the dex or letro. if you are trying to get down into the low single digits then a estro killer is needed to absolutely crush estro(which for a normal leaning out run isnt and it causes side effects in itself) so i personally wouldnt add in either the estro killers or caber unless absolutely needed because of the sides and they arent necessary unless issues arise. so you are looking at tren winny var and possibly dex/letro and caber. all of them hammer the liver and lipids big time. with the anti e and var driving your hdl down to single digits and ldl through the roof. their are safe ways to do it without having issues.

adding in some tudca with nac for the liver for the duration of the run. also adding in a supplement called nialor for lipid protection along with a solid fish oil that's ligit. cardio is also a plus and keeping your as healthy as possible during this run. leaning out cycles and contest prep runs are usually some of the harshest shit we do all year round and adding in as much protection as possible is a must to be safe. getting a good cycle support supplenent also is a good idea on top of the tudca and nialor. lots of greens and fiber is also very helpful.

as for the provi it can be ran pretty safely for the most part at 60-100 ed but dont expect anything dramatic with it. it will give some very minor anti estro properties a little hardening and clear out receptors a little bit. it can also boost sex drive as well

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Originally Posted by guns01

so cycle looks good for a good lean run. now some pointers and ways to offset some issues. for starters dont use either the dex letro or caber unless you need them according to blood work or if you are trying to get stage ready. need bloods for prolactin for the caber and estro for the dex or letro. if you are trying to get down into the low single digits then a estro killer is needed to absolutely crush estro(which for a normal leaning out run isnt and it causes side effects in itself) so i personally wouldnt add in either the estro killers or caber unless absolutely needed because of the sides and they arent necessary unless issues arise. so you are looking at tren winny var and possibly dex/letro and caber. all of them hammer the liver and lipids big time. with the anti e and var driving your hdl down to single digits and ldl through the roof. their are safe ways to do it without having issues.

adding in some tudca with nac for the liver for the duration of the run. also adding in a supplement called nialor for lipid protection along with a solid fish oil that's ligit. cardio is also a plus and keeping your as healthy as possible during this run. leaning out cycles and contest prep runs are usually some of the harshest shit we do all year round and adding in as much protection as possible is a must to be safe. getting a good cycle support supplenent also is a good idea on top of the tudca and nialor. lots of greens and fiber is also very helpful.

as for the provi it can be ran pretty safely for the most part at 60-100 ed but dont expect anything dramatic with it. it will give some very minor anti estro properties a little hardening and clear out receptors a little bit. it can also boost sex drive as well

listen to guns.

Guns, don't you think a combo of noveldex and the provi would be better than an ai in this situation? Like you said he's not competing, the only time I'd use an ai, so he does not need to crush his estro. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by pgc640

listen to guns.

Guns, don't you think a combo of noveldex and the provi would be better than an ai in this situation? Like you said he's not competing, the only time I'd use an ai, so he does not need to crush his estro. What do you think?

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man, you know me unless we are trying to literally crush estro to get as lean and dry as possible the only way i add them in is when labs come back way way high. caber dex and letro are all super harsh and other than the health aspects as you know they can also make mr happy not happy or work and the joints will get nasty dry and brittle as well.

i like that idea with the nolva and provi though. could be a good addition for a little estro protection. maybe even add in provi and masteron for an even better effect.

i still for the life of me cant figure out why a lot of guys want to jump on anti e without knowing whats going on. in the off season crushing estro or even keeping it outside optimal will completely stop muscle gains. then in prep it makes you feel like absolute ass. most people dont realize that you need estro to function and make gains. not talking about here but just in general. i know people that run dex at 1mg a day and when i ask them what their labs look like they say oh i havent had any i just thought it would keep me dry and keep gyno away. i just shake my head and say good luck with that because you cant talk to them and they damn sure wont spend a few bucks on private labs every couple of months

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Originally Posted by guns01

man, you know me unless we are trying to literally crush estro to get as lean and dry as possible the only way i add them in is when labs come back way way high. caber dex and letro are all super harsh and other than the health aspects as you know they can also make mr happy not happy or work and the joints will get nasty dry and brittle as well.

i like that idea with the nolva and provi though. could be a good addition for a little estro protection. maybe even add in provi and masteron for an even better effect.

i still for the life of me cant figure out why a lot of guys want to jump on anti e without knowing whats going on. in the off season crushing estro or even keeping it outside optimal will completely stop muscle gains. then in prep it makes you feel like absolute ass. most people dont realize that you need estro to function and make gains. not talking about here but just in general. i know people that run dex at 1mg a day and when i ask them what their labs look like they say oh i havent had any i just thought it would keep me dry and keep gyno away. i just shake my head and say good luck with that because you cant talk to them and they damn sure wont spend a few bucks on private labs every couple of months

lol, I have been saying the same thing for like 5 years now. I will never use an AI unless I competed like you said and then I would use it at the very end the last few weeks to lower my estrogen tremendously but only for a few weeks. I have been saying exactly what you wrote that higher estrogen plus higher testosterone equals way more gains than higher testosterone and low estrogen or no estrogen if you don't know what the hell you're doing and you're taking too much of this shit. you can use tamoxifen only and control gyno without messing with your estro.

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

I also have armidex on hand which I have never used before either...but that is something you would run the whole cycle at like 0.5mg twice a week?

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Funny because I was competing when I first even saw ARIMIDEX, it just got approved. No one knew how to use it I was taking a mg a day.

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TweetWould taking out the winny help ease this cycle a little better? I've reacted well to Tren before with no issues.

And also for pct...hcg...how much to take per day/week?

Thanks for the great info so far guys

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TweetBro I use caber at 0.5mg every 4 days if you feel the start of any nip probs go to every 3 days. I doubt you will have probs with 4 at that dose.

Tren, winny, and var all crush lipids. Might as well leave it and like Gins said NAC and Tudca for liver. I would also do Berberine and green tea extract. These will "help" lower LDL a few points. Continue after cycle for 2 months to get that LDL back under control. I assume you will be doing a bunch of cardio for cutting, this will help increase HDL some.

TweetJust a question regarding caber...how much and how often would you need to use it if nip problems did occur during the tren? I live in Canada and for 8 stinking pills @.5mg it's $150.00 lol. Damn that's expensive shit haha

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

Just a question regarding caber...how much and how often would you need to use it if nip problems did occur during the tren? I live in Canada and for 8 stinking pills @.5mg it's $150.00 lol. Damn that's expensive shit haha

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you could do prami instead of caber if needed. idk how much cheaper it is up that way but it is much cheaper here. it does cause some people issues though. i am still a firm believer in not using anything unless bloods show it to be necessary after sides come on. the mind is a powerful thing and i think a lot of people convince themselves they have an issue and they actually dont. some dudes will squeeze and pull on their nipples being paranoid and think its some form of gyno