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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

How much caber should I run with the tren?

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

I also have armidex on hand which I have never used before either...but that is something you would run the whole cycle at like 0.5mg twice a week?

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so cycle looks good for a good lean run. now some pointers and ways to offset some issues. for starters dont use either the dex letro or caber unless you need them according to blood work or if you are trying to get stage ready. need bloods for prolactin for the caber and estro for the dex or letro. if you are trying to get down into the low single digits then a estro killer is needed to absolutely crush estro(which for a normal leaning out run isnt and it causes side effects in itself) so i personally wouldnt add in either the estro killers or caber unless absolutely needed because of the sides and they arent necessary unless issues arise. so you are looking at tren winny var and possibly dex/letro and caber. all of them hammer the liver and lipids big time. with the anti e and var driving your hdl down to single digits and ldl through the roof. their are safe ways to do it without having issues.

adding in some tudca with nac for the liver for the duration of the run. also adding in a supplement called nialor for lipid protection along with a solid fish oil that's ligit. cardio is also a plus and keeping your as healthy as possible during this run. leaning out cycles and contest prep runs are usually some of the harshest shit we do all year round and adding in as much protection as possible is a must to be safe. getting a good cycle support supplenent also is a good idea on top of the tudca and nialor. lots of greens and fiber is also very helpful.

as for the provi it can be ran pretty safely for the most part at 60-100 ed but dont expect anything dramatic with it. it will give some very minor anti estro properties a little hardening and clear out receptors a little bit. it can also boost sex drive as well

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Originally Posted by guns01

so cycle looks good for a good lean run. now some pointers and ways to offset some issues. for starters dont use either the dex letro or caber unless you need them according to blood work or if you are trying to get stage ready. need bloods for prolactin for the caber and estro for the dex or letro. if you are trying to get down into the low single digits then a estro killer is needed to absolutely crush estro(which for a normal leaning out run isnt and it causes side effects in itself) so i personally wouldnt add in either the estro killers or caber unless absolutely needed because of the sides and they arent necessary unless issues arise. so you are looking at tren winny var and possibly dex/letro and caber. all of them hammer the liver and lipids big time. with the anti e and var driving your hdl down to single digits and ldl through the roof. their are safe ways to do it without having issues.

adding in some tudca with nac for the liver for the duration of the run. also adding in a supplement called nialor for lipid protection along with a solid fish oil that's ligit. cardio is also a plus and keeping your as healthy as possible during this run. leaning out cycles and contest prep runs are usually some of the harshest shit we do all year round and adding in as much protection as possible is a must to be safe. getting a good cycle support supplenent also is a good idea on top of the tudca and nialor. lots of greens and fiber is also very helpful.

as for the provi it can be ran pretty safely for the most part at 60-100 ed but dont expect anything dramatic with it. it will give some very minor anti estro properties a little hardening and clear out receptors a little bit. it can also boost sex drive as well

listen to guns.

Guns, don't you think a combo of noveldex and the provi would be better than an ai in this situation? Like you said he's not competing, the only time I'd use an ai, so he does not need to crush his estro. What do you think?

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Originally Posted by pgc640

listen to guns.

Guns, don't you think a combo of noveldex and the provi would be better than an ai in this situation? Like you said he's not competing, the only time I'd use an ai, so he does not need to crush his estro. What do you think?

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man, you know me unless we are trying to literally crush estro to get as lean and dry as possible the only way i add them in is when labs come back way way high. caber dex and letro are all super harsh and other than the health aspects as you know they can also make mr happy not happy or work and the joints will get nasty dry and brittle as well.

i like that idea with the nolva and provi though. could be a good addition for a little estro protection. maybe even add in provi and masteron for an even better effect.

i still for the life of me cant figure out why a lot of guys want to jump on anti e without knowing whats going on. in the off season crushing estro or even keeping it outside optimal will completely stop muscle gains. then in prep it makes you feel like absolute ass. most people dont realize that you need estro to function and make gains. not talking about here but just in general. i know people that run dex at 1mg a day and when i ask them what their labs look like they say oh i havent had any i just thought it would keep me dry and keep gyno away. i just shake my head and say good luck with that because you cant talk to them and they damn sure wont spend a few bucks on private labs every couple of months

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man, you know me unless we are trying to literally crush estro to get as lean and dry as possible the only way i add them in is when labs come back way way high. caber dex and letro are all super harsh and other than the health aspects as you know they can also make mr happy not happy or work and the joints will get nasty dry and brittle as well.

i like that idea with the nolva and provi though. could be a good addition for a little estro protection. maybe even add in provi and masteron for an even better effect.

i still for the life of me cant figure out why a lot of guys want to jump on anti e without knowing whats going on. in the off season crushing estro or even keeping it outside optimal will completely stop muscle gains. then in prep it makes you feel like absolute ass. most people dont realize that you need estro to function and make gains. not talking about here but just in general. i know people that run dex at 1mg a day and when i ask them what their labs look like they say oh i havent had any i just thought it would keep me dry and keep gyno away. i just shake my head and say good luck with that because you cant talk to them and they damn sure wont spend a few bucks on private labs every couple of months

lol, I have been saying the same thing for like 5 years now. I will never use an AI unless I competed like you said and then I would use it at the very end the last few weeks to lower my estrogen tremendously but only for a few weeks. I have been saying exactly what you wrote that higher estrogen plus higher testosterone equals way more gains than higher testosterone and low estrogen or no estrogen if you don't know what the hell you're doing and you're taking too much of this shit. you can use tamoxifen only and control gyno without messing with your estro.

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lol, I have been saying the same thing for like 5 years now. I will never use an AI unless I competed like you said and then I would use it at the very end the last few weeks to lower my estrogen tremendously but only for a few weeks. I have been saying exactly what you wrote that higher estrogen plus higher testosterone equals way more gains than higher testosterone and low estrogen or no estrogen if you don't know what the hell you're doing and you're taking too much of this shit. you can use tamoxifen only and control gyno without messing with your estro.

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also a lot of these guys don't realize that AIS didn't even exist before like 1999. look at pictures of Ronnie Coleman before 1999 and tell me you need an AI to get in shape. because AIS didn't exist in 1996 but Ronnie looked pretty freaking ripped to me. back then the only thing you had was tamoxifen or proviron and everything was fine the world didn't stop without AIS.

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lol, I have been saying the same thing for like 5 years now. I will never use an AI unless I competed like you said and then I would use it at the very end the last few weeks to lower my estrogen tremendously but only for a few weeks. I have been saying exactly what you wrote that higher estrogen plus higher testosterone equals way more gains than higher testosterone and low estrogen or no estrogen if you don't know what the hell you're doing and you're taking too much of this shit. you can use tamoxifen only and control gyno without messing with your estro.

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yo it really amazes me how similar you and I think and that we're in the same age group and for been around this scene pretty much the same amount of time. that's stupid evolutionary.org board I tried that was horrible you go on there they pretty much make you think you have to take an AI with every cycle you like it's necessary. when the whole time it's detrimental

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yo it really amazes me how similar you and I think and that we're in the same age group and for been around this scene pretty much the same amount of time. that's stupid evolutionary.org board I tried that was horrible you go on there they pretty much make you think you have to take an AI with every cycle you like it's necessary. when the whole time it's detrimental

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man, i try to help people out but i have pretty much quit entirely except for on here. i have also pretty much shut down coaching all together because i cant handle the dumb shit and stupid people. dudes telling me at 21-24 that they are running 3-4g of oils on top of tabs with ai peps and sarms. when i tell them they are morons and on your 1st 2d or 3d cycle that running that high is pointless. hell one dude was running 3g which consisted of 2g of test and 1g of tren on his very 1st cycle and i bet you a paycheck that moron was every bit 30% or more of bodyfat with tities. i am blown away at no one thinking or believing that it takes time and you buildup to higher end dosing and make the small amounts work early on. more muscle and time equals more need for aas in most cases.
then again i had a 23 year old dumb ass tell me he was getting ready to turn pro at the usas in 3 weeks. dude is pretty wide lat wise but has no delts no arms and tiny ass legs and when he turns to the side he disappears. oh but he says i have a 25in waist. thats all cool and dandy my friend but you are smooth as a babies ass have zero depth and you pretty much suck but good on you for being confident but when you stand next to that black dude with the beautiful lines and symetry who is peeled to the bone, you are going to be embarrassed. oh wait the excuse for these guys now is they got robbed or over looked. not that you cant look at the other dude and be like damn i need a ton of more work. i just cant do it. i pick and choose who i work with and only come here where level heads prevail

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I also have armidex on hand which I have never used before either...but that is something you would run the whole cycle at like 0.5mg twice a week?

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Funny because I was competing when I first even saw ARIMIDEX, it just got approved. No one knew how to use it I was taking a mg a day.

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