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Originally Posted by jolter604

Got s friend asking for Winny for his next run. He said it would be less toxic then teen and if he adds deca he could bulk and shred all in one.
From my experience after the first week my hands are in some serious pain.

As far as the toxic part I sent him a link about it being toxic. But now he wants it even more.
The other face is his last cycle that ended in October was
Test and tren e and anadrol and he was peeing blood he last week of the cycle.

Trying to find a safer stack for him to bulk and shred together.
My first opinion was it's all about food but it went in one ear out the other lmao.

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if he is pissing blood on the last run i wouldnt help him out at all until he had a full panel that is healthy for at least 8 weeks. pissing blood is a sure sign that his kidneys are fucked, also be curious as to how his bp looks. just remind him you can hammer your liver hard as hell and 99% of the time it will heal and come back. you do that shit to your kidneys and their is no fixing it. ask don long boston lyod and fouid as well. they destroyed their kidneys boston is dead (not really related but would have been) and the other too are screwed. you can take bp meds to protect your kidneys.

so let's delve into the bulk/cutting compounds. in all reality their is no difference kind of. when people think of that that way they are thinking of water retention and that can be controlled with a good diet and cardio. so that is almost a moot point. same goes for aromatizing compounds. yeah you get a little estro raising up on you btu again with labs you can control it. and on a side not you cant really do both at the same time. you can slow lean gain but to call it a bulk is kind of a misnomer. you may only gain say 3-5lbs during a run if it is try lean mass.

with someone that is that haphazard with their health, i wouldnt make any suggestions at all. go to the doc and get them to help you out because if not then he is most likely going to live a very short and painful life. my wife's step dad was on dialisis until he got a transplant and seeing what he went through and goes through even today is eye opening. he waited on a transplant for around 3 years too.

TweetWINSTROL is great for whatever you are trying to accomplish. Putting on muscle or losing bf both.Yiy have to watch when you read about it being toxic to the liver. Remember there is an oral winstrol, which I would never use, that's the one that is liver toxic supposedly.
The injectable winny is a lot better than the oral.
50 mgs EOD or even just Non, Wd, and Fri works great for me.

If he uses the water based WINSTROL tell him to get a bottle or a few of injectable B12. It can be painful but that depends on how well it's made. If you dilute it with B12 it about always cuts out any PIP. It is made in oil I've seen, never tried it. If it's the right compound oil based would probably be a less painful shot.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

WINSTROL is great for whatever you are trying to accomplish. Putting on muscle or losing bf both.Yiy have to watch when you read about it being toxic to the liver. Remember there is an oral winstrol, which I would never use, that's the one that is liver toxic supposedly.
The injectable winny is a lot better than the oral.
50 mgs EOD or even just Non, Wd, and Fri works great for me.

If he uses the water based WINSTROL tell him to get a bottle or a few of injectable B12. It can be painful but that depends on how well it's made. If you dilute it with B12 it about always cuts out any PIP. It is made in oil I've seen, never tried it. If it's the right compound oil based would probably be a less painful shot.

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unfortunately for us normies that are sensitive girls injectable is out of the question. i have used zambons from south america i have used the vet grade stuff from back in the late 90s early 2000s and even oil based from various companies and the results are always the same. horrific pip and knots the size of softballs. i had one hit that was so bad that it damn near crippled me. i even mixed it with everything i could think of including sterile oil only and still. cant use test e either for that same matter. it's worse than test prop. so i have to opt for oral only, hell i drank the bottle of vet grade stuff i had years ago. funny thing is even the injectable is liver toxic. nowhere near as bad as oral but the compound is still 17aa and makes a single pass through the liver not 2. so you will see a little increase in liver enzymes bot not to bad. it is a great compound for sure

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Originally Posted by guns01

unfortunately for us normies that are sensitive girls injectable is out of the question. i have used zambons from south america i have used the vet grade stuff from back in the late 90s early 2000s and even oil based from various companies and the results are always the same. horrific pip and knots the size of softballs. i had one hit that was so bad that it damn near crippled me. i even mixed it with everything i could think of including sterile oil only and still. cant use test e either for that same matter. it's worse than test prop. so i have to opt for oral only, hell i drank the bottle of vet grade stuff i had years ago. funny thing is even the injectable is liver toxic. nowhere near as bad as oral but the compound is still 17aa and makes a single pass through the liver not 2. so you will see a little increase in liver enzymes bot not to bad. it is a great compound for sure

zzJOLTE that's not true. You can easily mitigate any PIP from outside of Winstrol or even a shot of test suspension both of which pretty much the same there suspension mixed with water or the suspended in water You have to shake it up very well. And then it depends on how well it's made and how much PIP you're going to get The bigger the crystals are the more it's going to hurt the next day The smaller it may not hurt at all I had a pharmaceutical It's not pharmaceutical but it was veterinary grade 30 cc bottle ones and I could draw that through a 29 and I had no pain at all after that. Then I got another real bottle from Australia and you could not draw that with less than a 20 gauge It was horrible and they're thrown in the garbage.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

I will write you on wicker tonight we can talk, catch up some. Hope all is well with you.

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The last thing I say is your buddy I highly doubt him pissing blood is from Winstrol I had the same thing happen to me getting ready for my last contest woke up at 2:00 a.m. pissing the street blood. I talked to a marathon runner and he told me that happened to him every time he prepares for a marathon He gets so lean that even like fastening a weight belt can rupture something and end up with blood in his piss It went away the more I drank and it was gone. I'm not saying don't go to the doctor yeah for Cisco to the doctor but it might not be something to be concerned about.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

WINSTROL is great for whatever you are trying to accomplish. Putting on muscle or losing bf both.Yiy have to watch when you read about it being toxic to the liver. Remember there is an oral winstrol, which I would never use, that's the one that is liver toxic supposedly.
The injectable winny is a lot better than the oral.
50 mgs EOD or even just Non, Wd, and Fri works great for me.

If he uses the water based WINSTROL tell him to get a bottle or a few of injectable B12. It can be painful but that depends on how well it's made. If you dilute it with B12 it about always cuts out any PIP. It is made in oil I've seen, never tried it. If it's the right compound oil based would probably be a less painful shot.

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I use Winstrol as a basis for about every other cycle. I do it for two reasons number one it's an incredibly awesome drug that builds strength and pure muscle not b******* muscle. Second of all I can get it for $30 a damn bottle It's so much cheaper than something like fremabolin and I think it's better. The problem is like people have said the PIP didn't know how to deal with I'm going to tell you how to deal with it. Dilute dilute dilute put one cc of wind straw in the syringe, the best thing to do is buy a bunch of B12 put two cc's or first try one cc of B12 and shooter if you're still having problems mix it with two and I guarantee that'll be enough. You could also do this with oil-based sterile grape seed oil that works also but the B12 is a lot easier cuz it mixes right in with the wind straws that's water-based. I was wondering if you do it with just straight benzyl alcohol or just sterile water and diluted that way but either way yeah I would dilute it I always dilute it because not all the time but sometimes the ones CC shot a wind straw yeah we'll be very painful the next day. But it's a f****** awesome drug for a very cheap price.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

zzJOLTE that's not true. You can easily mitigate any PIP from outside of Winstrol or even a shot of test suspension both of which pretty much the same there suspension mixed with water or the suspended in water You have to shake it up very well. And then it depends on how well it's made and how much PIP you're going to get The bigger the crystals are the more it's going to hurt the next day The smaller it may not hurt at all I had a pharmaceutical It's not pharmaceutical but it was veterinary grade 30 cc bottle ones and I could draw that through a 29 and I had no pain at all after that. Then I got another real bottle from Australia and you could not draw that with less than a 20 gauge It was horrible and they're thrown in the garbage.

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I got off topic The way you can avoid PIP all together is don't shoot more than one CC of Winstrol at a time I'm talking the 50 mg water based. Mix that with two cc's of B12. You can start with one cc and see how it goes That works for me sometimes it doesn't work for others to cc's always works in mitigates the pain the next day a whole lot sometimes totally. And I'm telling you that's the only drawback to Winstrol if you can handle the PIP or find a way to eliminate it You're talking about a drug you can get for $30 for 10 cc's I mean what $120 for a cycle of s***. It's better than primobolan and what are you going to spend on a cycle of primo,?

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Originally Posted by pgc640

I got off topic The way you can avoid PIP all together is don't shoot more than one CC of Winstrol at a time I'm talking the 50 mg water based. Mix that with two cc's of B12. You can start with one cc and see how it goes That works for me sometimes it doesn't work for others to cc's always works in mitigates the pain the next day a whole lot sometimes totally. And I'm telling you that's the only drawback to Winstrol if you can handle the PIP or find a way to eliminate it You're talking about a drug you can get for $30 for 10 cc's I mean what $120 for a cycle of s***. It's better than primobolan and what are you going to spend on a cycle of primo,?

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I never pinned Winny just took it orally. I can't last after two weeks at 50mg I feel like my hands are gonna explode. As far as pip I never had any pip issues even with dhb . I always just suggest adding another oil to thin down the pip.
But this guy was thinking oral Winny was safe like anavar. But even anavar can get to the dark side of sides after being abused.

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Originally Posted by pgc640

The last thing I say is your buddy I highly doubt him pissing blood is from Winstrol I had the same thing happen to me getting ready for my last contest woke up at 2:00 a.m. pissing the street blood. I talked to a marathon runner and he told me that happened to him every time he prepares for a marathon He gets so lean that even like fastening a weight belt can rupture something and end up with blood in his piss It went away the more I drank and it was gone. I'm not saying don't go to the doctor yeah for Cisco to the doctor but it might not be something to be concerned about.

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That dude was on week like. 30 of test TREN and master e with superdrol here and there. And he was hitting the bars .


What you been up to

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Originally Posted by pgc640

zzJOLTE that's not true. You can easily mitigate any PIP from outside of Winstrol or even a shot of test suspension both of which pretty much the same there suspension mixed with water or the suspended in water You have to shake it up very well. And then it depends on how well it's made and how much PIP you're going to get The bigger the crystals are the more it's going to hurt the next day The smaller it may not hurt at all I had a pharmaceutical It's not pharmaceutical but it was veterinary grade 30 cc bottle ones and I could draw that through a 29 and I had no pain at all after that. Then I got another real bottle from Australia and you could not draw that with less than a 20 gauge It was horrible and they're thrown in the garbage.

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doesnt work man. like i said i have tried every single brand all the way back to the 90s. warmed it up, mixed it with b12 other oils even tried sterile oil for both water and suspended in oil. it turns into a huge soft ball knot every single time. test ent does the exact same thing. my body just doesnt tolerate it at all. doc said i have a reaction to it when it is done im and it could come from a number of different things. i even tried going deeper with a large gauge pin 21 and 22s 1.5in glute thigh and delt. all the exact same reaction. mixed it with eq test c mast and b12 on the other side no dice same issues. it is kind of cool to blow up the delts but those of us in the know, know what it is when it pops up like that. winny and test ent are the only 2 compounds that my body just does not accept. hell i have shot injectable drol/bol/tne and it didnt do that when most people have issues with that as well. no issues with those for me

TweetI never made it passed week 2 at 50 mg but my strength was going up like I was on halo .
Halo and winny are the two orals I have taken that gave super strength with all the water and pimples lol.

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TweetStanozolol is a dihydrotestosterone (DHT) derived anabolic androgenic steroid, or more specifically a structurally altered form. Stanozolol is the DHT hormone with two structural changes that give us the Winstrol compound. The first alteration is the introduction of an attached pyrazol group at the A-ring of the hormone replacing the 3-keto group. This modification officially classifies Stanozolol as a heterocyclic steroid. The hormone also carries an added methyl group in order to protect hormone after administration. This structural change takes place at the 17th carbon position officially classifying Stanozolol as a C17-alpha alkylated (C17-aa) anabolic steroid.

Due the combination of structural changes, this reduces the hormone’s androgenicity significantly and greatly increases its anabolic power. Officially Winstrol carries an anabolic rating of 320 and an androgenic rating of 20. More importantly, its ratings translate perfectly in real life effects giving us an extremely beneficial anabolic steroid.

Winstrol carries many positive steroidal traits, one of which is its ability to lower Sex-Hormone-Binding-Globulin (SHBG) significantly. This allows for more of the steroids being supplied to rest in an unbound state, as well as provides an increase in free testosterone. While many anabolic steroids lower SHBG Winstrol appears to have a much stronger affinity than most. In fact, studies have demonstrated nearly 50% reductions in SHBG in mere days of use and even at relatively low doses.

Beyond a reduction in SHBG, which is one of its primary traits, Winstrol will enhance protein synthesis and greatly increase nitrogen retention in the muscles. The steroid will also do a fairly decent job at increasing red blood cell count and inhibiting glucocorticoid hormones but not to the degree of many other steroids. In many ways, we have a mild yet evenly possession of some basic steroidal traits coupled with the dramatic SHBG reduction that gives us a controllable and unique compound. This really is one of the easiest anabolic steroids to understand.

When looking at the direct functions and traits of Winstrol there is one more issue we need to discuss. The Stanozolol hormone is both an injectable an oral anabolic steroid. Both forms are comprised of the same identical Stanozolol hormone. 1mg of one form is the same as 1mg of the other form. Some studies have suggested oral Winstrol may reduce SHBG a little more than its injectable counterpart, while others have said injectable forms may be slightly more potent on an overall milligram for milligram basis. However, overall these appear to be rather insignificant differences regardless of the direction they go. In fact, the individual should be able to receive the same identical benefits with either form.

Another important note often misunderstood about Winstrol forms is the C17-aa nature. Both oral and injectable Stanozolol are C17-aa anabolic steroids. Most oral steroids are C17-aa and while injectable steroids rarely are injectable Stanozolol is one of the exceptions. The injectable form is also commonly referred to as Winstrol Depot.



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TweetAlthough used to stave off lean tissue wasting, Winstrol is not what we’d call a bulking steroid. You will rarely find this steroid in an off-season mass gaining stack. However, it could be used in an effort to enhance the activity of the other steroids being used due to the strong SHBG reduction it will provide but this is generally not recommended. When we dive into the side effects of Winstrol, we will find it is very hepatotoxic and use should be limited to when it’s most valuable. For the male athlete, this will not be during the bulking phase.

When it comes to off-season bulking, we could make more of an exception with female use. Females are far more sensitive to the steroid and short burst plans could be very beneficial during this phase. But again, there are probably better options.

The effects of Winstrol are undoubtedly most beneficial to direct performance enhancement of an athletic nature. We’re talking about functional competitive athletes, not bodybuilders or physique athletes. This steroid has the ability to greatly increase strength and this can translate into both power and speed. Further, it will accomplish this without adding a lot of additional weight that could hinder some depending on the sport, as well as cause unwanted attention from prying eyes. There have been those who have said Winstrol isn’t good for competitive athletes, especially those athletes in explosive sports due to potential weakening of the tendons but this is more or less message board anecdotal hysteria that supports this claim. In fact, many studies have shown it can have a positive impact on strengthening tendons and we already know it’s good for the bones. If not, it wouldn’t be used to treat osteoporosis.

There are also some who complain of joint pain when using Winstrol. As a steroid that does not aromatize there will be no water retention but the “dry feeling” may not be what many think it is. Most who use the steroid will be physique athletes or gym rats during a cutting phase. They will also typically add it into a plan late in the diet once they’re already lean. Typically, when you become very lean, bodybuilding lean, this makes the joints a little uncomfortable. With or without Winstrol this discomfort could potentially exist. As for pro athletes who have nearly every last steroid at their disposal, remember, if Winstrol weren’t effective in competitive sports so many athletes wouldn’t make it a primary and favorite choice. In fact, the combo of Winstrol with low doses of Nandrolone is a very common stack among many athletes, and this stack will greatly eliminate any potential joint discomfort should it exist.

Beyond athletics, the gym rat or bodybuilding effects of Winstrol will be best displayed once you’re already somewhat lean. The steroid will help produce a dryer, harder look but only if you’re relatively lean. It will also aid in lean tissue preservation but not to a very strong degree that’s often needed in such a phase. It’s typically recommended that Winstrol only be used in this capacity as a secondary steroid, not a base or foundational steroid.

Both men and women can greatly benefit from Winstrol during the cutting phase. While it won’t be the best lean tissue preserver, many report maintaining more of their strength that is often lost when dieting when Winstrol is in play. Vascularity should also become more pronounced and overall the individual should enjoy an overall enhancement in definition.



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