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Originally Posted by pgcc0313

I always said that and some of these guys on other boards will only believe one thing, that you "NEED TEST AT A CETAIN AMOUNT NO MATTER WHAT ". Just because it is what they have been told by these, I'm sorry, jerk offs with 0 personal experience and who go by, strictly, what they read about.
Ive also used tren without test with no bad effects and great results.

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absolutely. my first 3-4 cycles when i was broke AF and could only afford winny tabs to run with homemade tren were amazing and the quality of gains was very nice. more experienced than those first cycles some 19 years ago and i have to say running summer cycles of tren,prop and var or winny i have felt pretty lousy physically day to day unlike the cycles without test. think the cutter this year i will cut out the prop about the time i add in the tren.