Make sure you supress your estrogen when trying to use Tren to cut

[prolangtum]

Tweetoriginally posted by jboldman on CEM:

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Lipogenesis in adipose tissue from ovariectomized and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and (or) implanted with trenbolone acetate.

St John LC, Ekeren PA, Crouse JD, Schanbacher BD, Smith SB.

Forty-two heifers were allotted randomly to six treatment groups: intact controls, intact heifers implanted with trenbolone acetate, ovariectomized heifers, ovariectomized heifers implanted with trenbolone acetate, intact heifers immunized against estradiol and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and implanted with trenbolone acetate. Blood titers of estradiol-17 beta were increased over 100-fold in heifers immunized against estradiol in Freund's complete adjuvant or saline:squalene/arlacel containing Mycobacterium. Lipogenic enzyme activities and acetate incorporation into fatty acids were increased in subcutaneous adipose tissue obtained at slaughter from heifers receiving immunization or the combination of immunization and trenbolone acetate. The increased lipogenic capacity was not reflected in either cell diameter or cells per gram adipose tissue. Ovariectomy in combination with trenbolone acetate caused the lowest activities for all enzymes measured. This treatments also caused the greatest decrease in cell diameter, which resulted in the largest number of cells per gram of adipose tissue. Trenbolone acetate alone had no detectable effect on lipogenesis in the intact heifer, but the combination of ovariectomy and trenbolone acetate caused substantial decreases in enzyme activities, in most cases a significant decrease as compared with ovariectomized heifers. The data suggest that trenbolone acetate is able to depress lipogenesis only when not competing with the effects of circulating estradiol.

[Governor]

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[deepinu]

Tweetthese are also studies done on heifers.....cant really set it in stone

[prolangtum]

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Originally posted by deepinu
these are also studies done on heifers.....cant really set it in stone

sure its not humans, but at least its not in vitro, and do you think there would be any drastic change if done in humans?? Im under the assumption of no, but Im open to ideas

[The REAL Bobo]

TweetThis will happen naturally at the end of a tren cycle when adrogen levels are high and test levels are low. This is the reason you gain pure LBM while decreasing your bf% and also the reason people think tren burns fat. There is nothing that suggests in any study that I've seen suggesting tren increases lipolysis.

[deepinu]

Tweeti dont know by mechanism a heifer metabolizes,fat,or androgens and estradiol for that matter....but as far as any study im only intrigued by that of which are done on humans..and controlled double blind ones on healthy,weight trained young adults

[The REAL Bobo]

TweetMost supps and steroids you take were first done on animals, especially trenbolone. Dismissing then because they are not done on humans is pretty close minded. It doesn't mean they have the same effect I agree, but you can't dismiss them. The real world results on people taking tren support this study as people seem to lean out on tren. I tihnk 99% of tren studies are done on heifers but for some reason humans seem to make nice gains off it and those studies support them. Criticism is alwasy welcome but when the results of the study correlate with real world results, you can get a pretty good idea of whats true.

[Manic Behavior]

Tweetbump, good post and info. The last cutting cycle I did was with 100mg Prop ed and 75mg Tren ed. I used 1mg l-dex ed along with an NYC and yohimburn. I gained nearly 15lbs and lost a good deal of bodyfat in the process. It always helps to supress estrogen when cutting even if you're not using tren.

[deepinu]

TweetALL AAS burn fat inderecty...Its well known fact that the more LBM mass thats acquired the more adipose the body will burn...simple..ALL AAS enhance more LBM thus u burn more fat

[prolangtum]

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Originally posted by deepinu
ALL AAS burn fat inderecty...Its well known fact that the more LBM mass thats acquired the more adipose the body will burn...simple..ALL AAS enhance more LBM thus u burn more fat

I dont think there was any post in this thread saying otherwise...

[deepinu]

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Originally posted by prolangtum
I dont think there was any post in this thread saying otherwise...

[The REAL Bobo]

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Originally posted by deepinu
ALL AAS burn fat inderecty...Its well known fact that the more LBM mass thats acquired the more adipose the body will burn...simple..ALL AAS enhance more LBM thus u burn more fat

Then you could say that about protein, creatine, ph's, etc....I don't think thats the point here. It wouldn't be accurate for us to say those or AAS "burn" fat. They enable the body to create more LBM which in turn burns more fat. I could say "food" indirectly burns more fat if we want to use your mode of thinking but I don't think the majority of us like to think of it in that light. The arguement is whether tren directly "burns" fat and ther is no evidence proving it does although people could swear that it will. Thats the point. You understand that?