its the rage on EF, but wondering if anyone over here (or on here from EF) is using it? i figure to use 2000mg of each a day....they both are supposed to free up test bound to SHBG, at least avena is....the nettle i know helps with DHT problems like the prostate. i THINK nettle frees it up too. more free natural unbound test= better gains! proviron is still king though......best SHBG free'r upper. and carao is a probable too. i'm using all 4....lol.... well post up if interested or if you are using. mg amounts and results.