Quote Originally Posted by rocco-x View Post
Coming from someone who has battled heroin addiction for nearly 25yrs the answer is yes...and no.
I've been reading up more on kratom and if used right, just like suboxone and methadone, can help an addict with the withdrawls...but only an addict with the desire to stop using, not one looking for a safer high so to say.
A few here know my story both from the boards and personally have witnessed my continuing downfall into deep addiction.
In 07 when I got clean last time I stayed on the subs until around 2012 and ultimately I relapsed a year after i got off. It was, imho then and now, the only thing that helped me overcome dope. Had kratom been around then...who knows. I love to use, I love to get high...I just can't deal with the consequences or the lifestyle. But had I tried to use it for the right purpose maybe I would've never needed the subs, of which I'm prescribed again almost 6mnths now and have 10mnths off everything else.
If your friend has a habit and needs to detox what I can tell you is, if he's hardcore like me, he can't dry out with kratom at home. His best bet is go to detox, get off medically with subs or whatever they use in your area as some states differ, and never touch kratom.
I'm not saying I'm against kratom but once you're a pickle you can never be a cucumber again...once you've become a heroin addict the mere "teasing" of something like kratom will only wake the dragon up again because you already know how much more stronger the real deal is...
I hope you understand how I'm trying to explain this to you lol, kratom is good if one doesn't have an underlying addiction already present or desperatley wants to come off and stay off...only he knows that. I wish him luck because this shit is no joke. That high calls you at any time day or night good times and bad times. I'm done with it...I can't survive another run like this last one. Good luck...
roc and i have been friends a long goddamn time. i saw him on top and on the way down. when he disappeared i hated him but it was the addiction, not the man, i hated. and im no angel either. id listen to what he has to say about this.

ty roc.