TweetKratom works well brother there can be slight withdrawals from it I used it to get my wife to stop drinking took a few mths after she stopped taking Kratom she had flu symptoms a few days but nothing bad I highly recommend it over Suboxone I use to take Vicodin for back pain for years and wish they had Kratom when I quite

Tweetidk if i would mess with it. i would let the doc's handle someone that is hooked on that type of drug. in all honesty he most likely needs a serious dose of in patient treatment if he really wants to get completely clean

TweetI agree with guns. Some real mental therapy and maybe something to help the physical pain of withdrawal. For some that, experience alone is unforgetable. As you know, it isn't up to you to do a thing. If he should relapse or OD, he is responsible. I know its hard cause you want to help...

TweetYes, this is a job for a dr. Any advice I gave would just be a guess and not medical advice. Good luck my friend

Tweetthere is a member here who has been through hell with this drug. i will reach out to him and see if he wants to add anything.

TweetIf Kratom can still be ordered online, I might be more inclined to tell him to get it himself. I had a guy who was working for me confess that he was an 8 year Vicodin addict, now he is addicted to Suboxone and said the withdrawals from the Suboxone are worse than from Vicodin. I stopped having him work for me, I just didnt know If I could trust him anymore after that. Whats to stop him from just buying heroin on th e street?

I dont know that I trust any MD for advice on addiction, since they usually try to find another pharmaceutical for you to take. 95% of medical doctors are utterly clueless about alternative medicine. Drugs are all they know.
12 Step programs have been proven to be no more helpful for addicts than just quitting cold turkey. Same success rate for both. Most MDs will recommend more drugs plus a 12 step program, which will lead to more failure and more frustration.
Addiction is hell.

TweetTrue Dzone. A good therapist can help, but it is all up to the individual for sure

TweetComing from someone who has battled heroin addiction for nearly 25yrs the answer is yes...and no.
I've been reading up more on kratom and if used right, just like suboxone and methadone, can help an addict with the withdrawls...but only an addict with the desire to stop using, not one looking for a safer high so to say.
A few here know my story both from the boards and personally have witnessed my continuing downfall into deep addiction.
In 07 when I got clean last time I stayed on the subs until around 2012 and ultimately I relapsed a year after i got off. It was, imho then and now, the only thing that helped me overcome dope. Had kratom been around then...who knows. I love to use, I love to get high...I just can't deal with the consequences or the lifestyle. But had I tried to use it for the right purpose maybe I would've never needed the subs, of which I'm prescribed again almost 6mnths now and have 10mnths off everything else.
If your friend has a habit and needs to detox what I can tell you is, if he's hardcore like me, he can't dry out with kratom at home. His best bet is go to detox, get off medically with subs or whatever they use in your area as some states differ, and never touch kratom.
I'm not saying I'm against kratom but once you're a pickle you can never be a cucumber again...once you've become a heroin addict the mere "teasing" of something like kratom will only wake the dragon up again because you already know how much more stronger the real deal is...
I hope you understand how I'm trying to explain this to you lol, kratom is good if one doesn't have an underlying addiction already present or desperatley wants to come off and stay off...only he knows that. I wish him luck because this shit is no joke. That high calls you at any time day or night good times and bad times. I'm done with it...I can't survive another run like this last one. Good luck...

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Originally Posted by BABY1

True Dzone. A good therapist can help, but it is all up to the individual for sure

Yes, MDs usually are not qualified to treat addictions. Withdrawals are another story. If someone is going to withdraw from Opiates , he will most likely need to be in a facility or he can have cardiac arrest or other complications

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Originally Posted by rocco-x

Coming from someone who has battled heroin addiction for nearly 25yrs the answer is yes...and no.
I've been reading up more on kratom and if used right, just like suboxone and methadone, can help an addict with the withdrawls...but only an addict with the desire to stop using, not one looking for a safer high so to say.
A few here know my story both from the boards and personally have witnessed my continuing downfall into deep addiction.
In 07 when I got clean last time I stayed on the subs until around 2012 and ultimately I relapsed a year after i got off. It was, imho then and now, the only thing that helped me overcome dope. Had kratom been around then...who knows. I love to use, I love to get high...I just can't deal with the consequences or the lifestyle. But had I tried to use it for the right purpose maybe I would've never needed the subs, of which I'm prescribed again almost 6mnths now and have 10mnths off everything else.
If your friend has a habit and needs to detox what I can tell you is, if he's hardcore like me, he can't dry out with kratom at home. His best bet is go to detox, get off medically with subs or whatever they use in your area as some states differ, and never touch kratom.
I'm not saying I'm against kratom but once you're a pickle you can never be a cucumber again...once you've become a heroin addict the mere "teasing" of something like kratom will only wake the dragon up again because you already know how much more stronger the real deal is...
I hope you understand how I'm trying to explain this to you lol, kratom is good if one doesn't have an underlying addiction already present or desperatley wants to come off and stay off...only he knows that. I wish him luck because this shit is no joke. That high calls you at any time day or night good times and bad times. I'm done with it...I can't survive another run like this last one. Good luck...

roc and i have been friends a long goddamn time. i saw him on top and on the way down. when he disappeared i hated him but it was the addiction, not the man, i hated. and im no angel either. id listen to what he has to say about this.

ty roc.

TweetI would have to go to a doctor but I would also have him run kratim on his own on the side. It activates the same opioid receptors as the drugs he is trying to get off of yet it is non-addictive. It gives a lower high yet it still satisfies the cravings and urges.

Tweetdefinitely need to have him utilize some type of therapist if he is unwilling to go into detox. friends i have seen lose the battle to come off all did so in their own, the ones who were successful got the support system in place and did it the right way. Even Nikki Sixx ended up just adding the methodone addiction to his already existing heroin addiction and just using both at same time. good that he has a friend like you who wants to help him but you're just giving him another way to get high if there isn't some desire from him to kick under a therapist in rehab. just my opinion

TweetFirst off I think this Kratom crap is just that...crap. Your business if you want to use it but DO NOT GIVE ANY ADDICT anything. They must find their own way. I don't believe in the so called safety of this crap either. You do it that's your biz but don't add to his mess.

My opinion, take it or leave.


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