like 6 only in the sexual performance dept. the heart valve issue still makes me raise an eye brow. mega doses and long periods yes but the risk is present and i always tell people looking into caber that it is a risk and to consider it because do you want to be the first and some people are also unaware of underlying heart issues.

prami on the other hand is nasty for the majority of people. it needs to be slowly ramped up and and then ramped back down. that and it can be an addictive substance in some,