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Originally Posted by guns01

early morning brain fart haha. here is what i can tell you from observation and personal experience:

dex. does a pretty good job at getting your numbers down low and great for prep but if you have to get blood work done while taking it, you doc is going to have a shit fit because your lipids are going to be horrible, regardless of what other compounds you are taking.

letro: will drop your numbers fast and damn near to zero but good luck having any sex drive or pretty much any drive to do anything. it will make you feel like warmed over death. the upside is i have seen people personally with pea sized or bigger gyno forming and it got completely rid of it.

nolva: haha ok but the rebound is horrible. never been a big fan of using this compound at all myself personally

aroma: great compound and by far the best to use if needed. i have used it and it actually improved my lipids big time. you have multiple options on how to use it and the tapering down of dosing because of the build up and effectiveness makes it even nicer to you pocket.

i am fortunate in the fact that i have no issues with estro or prolactin control at all even with super super high runs. mine really doesnt get out of wack bad at all. i only opt for these types of products when getting ready to compete.

Awesome. Hearing personal experience on these products from guys like yourself that know their body and know what they're doing is just as valuable if not MORE then learning the actual science behind them because sometimes things seem to conflict with some people.

I've personally only use Adex and Aromasin. I'm far happier with Aromasin. I also seem to just feel much better on it, probably a result of lipids not being so messed up like you said.

My first PCT was 12 years ago when ran my first cycle and I did use nolva and clomid but honestly don't remember my experience with it. I do remember that the clomid gave me crazy tracers in my vision like the article said, however it wasn't permanent like the article suggested. It did freak me out a bit. It was as if lightning would randomly go across my vision or something. Did not like it.

Took a 10 year break and once I got back on 2 years ago I decided to stay on at least a low dose of test year round. I try to keep ancillaries to a bare minimium also. I have to look for other signs of high estro like bloat etc because it doesn't seem that I get gyno symptoms very easily. Pretty much the only thing that will give them to me is a high dose of npp/tren and I have yet to try any dopamine agonists although I just ordered some Caber to see how it works.

Thanks for your reply bro

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Originally Posted by trekrider215

Awesome. Hearing personal experience on these products from guys like yourself that know their body and know what they're doing is just as valuable if not MORE then learning the actual science behind them because sometimes things seem to conflict with some people.

I've personally only use Adex and Aromasin. I'm far happier with Aromasin. I also seem to just feel much better on it, probably a result of lipids not being so messed up like you said.

My first PCT was 12 years ago when ran my first cycle and I did use nolva and clomid but honestly don't remember my experience with it. I do remember that the clomid gave me crazy tracers in my vision like the article said, however it wasn't permanent like the article suggested. It did freak me out a bit. It was as if lightning would randomly go across my vision or something. Did not like it.

Took a 10 year break and once I got back on 2 years ago I decided to stay on at least a low dose of test year round. I try to keep ancillaries to a bare minimium also. I have to look for other signs of high estro like bloat etc because it doesn't seem that I get gyno symptoms very easily. Pretty much the only thing that will give them to me is a high dose of npp/tren and I have yet to try any dopamine agonists although I just ordered some Caber to see how it works.

Thanks for your reply bro

as for your dopamine blockers and you will not see many people point it out. caber has been shown to cause heart valve damage in some people. now when someone points it out everyone always says yeah well that was with high dosing protocols and blah blah. well myself for one like to know that it is a possible and i like to know any additional damage that it can create. so these morons you see taking caber as a sex booster 3-4-5 and even 7 days a week are just playing russian roulette even at a .5mg dose. i personally dont want to be the one that gets that damage for a better lay haha. i have never heard of or seen anyone personally with any issues with .5mg 1-2x per week but it is still nice to know that it can happen. i always have opted for that route myself while prepping with high 19nors just to keep again the estro and prolactin feed back loop as low as possilbe to allow for the leanest hardest and driest look possible.

if i were you and you have access i would do a female panel at lab corp at the start of your run. then mid point and then near the end. that way you can play around with your dosing on your needs for anti e and prolactin control. as long as your state allows it you can get that panel done for 60 bucks and the results are emailed directly to you. then you have no need to explain to your docs why the hell you want these numbers checked haha