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Originally Posted by 49ER

I cant stand tren e they say its the same different ester bla bla im very experience with tren and i still suffer alot of negatives when i try to use the long ester

Originally Posted by trekrider215

I was under the impression that no one carried for tren e. lol, jk. Seriously though, what 49er said, I feel like they are way different. I will only ever use Ace from here out.

since you guys are already most likely shooting your tren a ed or at least eod why not give the tren e a go with a lower end dosing with much more frequent injection sched? if you inj ed you can keep a much more consistent blood level and should see much more stable blood levels. that could be a nice viable option if you want to go with tren e. the 2x or 3x per week doesnt seem to work well with people who get sides with tren e and if i were a betting man i would say it is from fluctuating blood levels wrecking havoc. or just hammer away with tren a, they are both pretty awesome

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Originally Posted by guns01

since you guys are already most likely shooting your tren a ed or at least eod why not give the tren e a go with a lower end dosing with much more frequent injection sched? if you inj ed you can keep a much more consistent blood level and should see much more stable blood levels. that could be a nice viable option if you want to go with tren e. the 2x or 3x per week doesnt seem to work well with people who get sides with tren e and if i were a betting man i would say it is from fluctuating blood levels wrecking havoc. or just hammer away with tren a, they are both pretty awesome

I guess i just love seeing dramatic jumps in strength and daily changes on ace. When ive used E my bp is way out of control insomnia is horrible. Its also more convenient now that i powerlift because i can pinn eod then 200 mg ed last few days and it hits my system right away.

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Originally Posted by 49ER

I guess i just love seeing dramatic jumps in strength and daily changes on ace. When ive used E my bp is way out of control insomnia is horrible. Its also more convenient now that i powerlift because i can pinn eod then 200 mg ed last few days and it hits my system right away.

makes sense esp if it is causing bp issues most likely from the e lingering around. great point and in and out for your purposes makes a lot of sense also. we tend to use it for body comp as well so the longer we can string it out the better. not much carry over for you in that sense. i love the carry over from seeing and learning what you guys do as well. hell, it can be implemented into a good off season for body builders who implement it correctly

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Originally Posted by guns01

since you guys are already most likely shooting your tren a ed or at least eod why not give the tren e a go with a lower end dosing with much more frequent injection sched? if you inj ed you can keep a much more consistent blood level and should see much more stable blood levels. that could be a nice viable option if you want to go with tren e. the 2x or 3x per week doesnt seem to work well with people who get sides with tren e and if i were a betting man i would say it is from fluctuating blood levels wrecking havoc. or just hammer away with tren a, they are both pretty awesome

When I run a cycle with long esters they still get pinned EOD because that is just how I prefer to do it. Sometimes Tren causes me to have bad anxiety which leads to very bad panic attacks. It's gotten pretty bad for me on a number of occasions, usually when that starts happening I take it as my body telling me its time to stop using it. I know heavy androgens can mess with your CNS and I just believe mine is a little more sensitive than most because I've had panic attacks off and on my whole life. Anyways, if shit hits the fan I can't afford to wait a few weeks to feel better. When I come off of Ace it's a night and day difference within 72 hours. This is just me though.. I have used enanthate before, I much prefer seeing results quicker. In the future my cycles are going to get shorter and shorter and pretty much only the last 4-5 weeks leading up to a meet. Plan is to cruise on test then hit the Tren/npp and orals hard for 5 weeks, compete and be done.