Tweetyou can always toss it in at the start or the end. depending on goals and whathaveyou. 50-100mg a day is the norm. it is pretty hard on most people's joints and has a tendency in a lot of people to make their muscle tight and stiff also. so not the greatest addition to ones heavy training lineup

TweetNot a big fan of winny myself. What are you looking to accomplish by adding it?

TweetI'm wanting to add it as part of a cut, right now I am trying to lean out and get some definition. I ended my last test only back in January and was going to wait till this fall to do another, but I'm turning fifty in July and I have the time so I figured lets go for it, let's see how good I can look. I have four weeks worth of free win so I thought I'd try it. Now I'm thinkin' summer, hot, dry, so prolly not a good idea ?

TweetIn my experience, I always noticed the best results from winstrol if I was already somewhat lean. It's great for strength and power, but it hammers my joints so bad that I never could really utilize it for those benefits. If you're wanting to lean out, I'd save it and focus on your diet for the first part of the cycle. Then, maybe add it in toward the end at 50mg - 100mg per day.

TweetYou're right, I'm pretty vascular right now and with the beating I get doing Kempo probally not a good Idea. Thanks for everybody's advise.