Tweetyou probably wont end up with the crazy grainy dry look with the test in regardless of dose. the euro guys have been doing both off season and contest prep with no test or bare minimum test(off season) for a while now. i have never went into the last two weeks with a ton of strength or sex drive either one even while running super high test and using anti e to control water. so once i learned how to tweak my own body i have zero issues getting dry and into condition pulling test out very very early. i have zero issues with sex drive or strength like i said until the final week sometimes 2 wks out. hell crushing out your estro alone is going to kill off your sex drive. the lack of energy could be coming from sub bf % rock bottom estro, or even high or low prolactin. so many variables without getting bloods you really dont know what is going on in there. hell, to be as dry and grainy as possible i will suffer for a bit no problem at all and if mr happy doesnt want to cooperate then the little blue pill or some cialis works wonders. not really an issue for me because i have always utilized proviron in my preps as well. what i would look at doing would be something like this for you:

test prop (keep in until 2wks out since it's an issue) or run cyp until 3wks out then let it carry over
tren a (keep your protocol in place)
masteron p (go ed with the dosing and raise it up a bit)
proviron 75 minimal daily (at least last 6wks or so)
winn (stay the same)
and if you are hell bent on needing test you could always opt for eq as a test replacement. it mimics almost the same mechs as test does.
aromisin or dex to drive estro down as low as possible> (bloods would be nice and also check prolactin to make sure caber isnt needed)
caber on hand (like i posted above. can cause bf sex issues and a host of other things we dont want)

everyone is 100% different and what works for 99% of people may not work for you haha and what worked the last prep damn sure may not work for the next one. it sucks but we are always evolving and changing from show to show and year to year. it sucks but it's like being brand new going into each and every single run

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you probably wont end up with the crazy grainy dry look with the test in regardless of dose. the euro guys have been doing both off season and contest prep with no test or bare minimum test(off season) for a while now. i have never went into the last two weeks with a ton of strength or sex drive either one even while running super high test and using anti e to control water. so once i learned how to tweak my own body i have zero issues getting dry and into condition pulling test out very very early. i have zero issues with sex drive or strength like i said until the final week sometimes 2 wks out. hell crushing out your estro alone is going to kill off your sex drive. the lack of energy could be coming from sub bf % rock bottom estro, or even high or low prolactin. so many variables without getting bloods you really dont know what is going on in there. hell, to be as dry and grainy as possible i will suffer for a bit no problem at all and if mr happy doesnt want to cooperate then the little blue pill or some cialis works wonders. not really an issue for me because i have always utilized proviron in my preps as well. what i would look at doing would be something like this for you:

test prop (keep in until 2wks out since it's an issue) or run cyp until 3wks out then let it carry over
tren a (keep your protocol in place)
masteron p (go ed with the dosing and raise it up a bit)
proviron 75 minimal daily (at least last 6wks or so)
winn (stay the same)
and if you are hell bent on needing test you could always opt for eq as a test replacement. it mimics almost the same mechs as test does.
aromisin or dex to drive estro down as low as possible> (bloods would be nice and also check prolactin to make sure caber isnt needed)
caber on hand (like i posted above. can cause bf sex issues and a host of other things we dont want)

everyone is 100% different and what works for 99% of people may not work for you haha and what worked the last prep damn sure may not work for the next one. it sucks but we are always evolving and changing from show to show and year to year. it sucks but it's like being brand new going into each and every single run

I dont mind killing the sex drive the last 2-3 weeks Id rather come in dry as hell and ripped. Wife wasnt happy though lol I ran proviron at 100mg a day and it helped but by the last 2-3 weeks my desire for sex was gone. but its temporary so no big deal. ill have to try the eq as well, thanks for the tips, ill get my stack together and be ready for when its time. Hoping to hit top 3 at least.

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Originally Posted by FREAKSHOW

I dont mind killing the sex drive the last 2-3 weeks Id rather come in dry as hell and ripped. Wife wasnt happy though lol I ran proviron at 100mg a day and it helped but by the last 2-3 weeks my desire for sex was gone. but its temporary so no big deal. ill have to try the eq as well, thanks for the tips, ill get my stack together and be ready for when its time. Hoping to hit top 3 at least.

damn killed it even with the provi huh? well crap that could be any of the above ideas i had or even that your bf is so low and your so dry that your body just doesnt want to play haha. maybe play around with a little test run and adjust your tren/mast up and down to find where your body is happy with it at.

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Originally Posted by guns01

you probably wont end up with the crazy grainy dry look with the test in regardless of dose. the euro guys have been doing both off season and contest prep with no test or bare minimum test(off season) for a while now. i have never went into the last two weeks with a ton of strength or sex drive either one even while running super high test and using anti e to control water. so once i learned how to tweak my own body i have zero issues getting dry and into condition pulling test out very very early. i have zero issues with sex drive or strength like i said until the final week sometimes 2 wks out. hell crushing out your estro alone is going to kill off your sex drive. the lack of energy could be coming from sub bf % rock bottom estro, or even high or low prolactin. so many variables without getting bloods you really dont know what is going on in there. hell, to be as dry and grainy as possible i will suffer for a bit no problem at all and if mr happy doesnt want to cooperate then the little blue pill or some cialis works wonders. not really an issue for me because i have always utilized proviron in my preps as well. what i would look at doing would be something like this for you:

test prop (keep in until 2wks out since it's an issue) or run cyp until 3wks out then let it carry over
tren a (keep your protocol in place)
masteron p (go ed with the dosing and raise it up a bit)
proviron 75 minimal daily (at least last 6wks or so)
winn (stay the same)
and if you are hell bent on needing test you could always opt for eq as a test replacement. it mimics almost the same mechs as test does.
aromisin or dex to drive estro down as low as possible> (bloods would be nice and also check prolactin to make sure caber isnt needed)
caber on hand (like i posted above. can cause bf sex issues and a host of other things we dont want)

everyone is 100% different and what works for 99% of people may not work for you haha and what worked the last prep damn sure may not work for the next one. it sucks but we are always evolving and changing from show to show and year to year. it sucks but it's like being brand new going into each and every single run

That's how it should be done

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Originally Posted by guns01

you probably wont end up with the crazy grainy dry look with the test in regardless of dose. the euro guys have been doing both off season and contest prep with no test or bare minimum test(off season) for a while now. i have never went into the last two weeks with a ton of strength or sex drive either one even while running super high test and using anti e to control water. so once i learned how to tweak my own body i have zero issues getting dry and into condition pulling test out very very early. i have zero issues with sex drive or strength like i said until the final week sometimes 2 wks out. hell crushing out your estro alone is going to kill off your sex drive. the lack of energy could be coming from sub bf % rock bottom estro, or even high or low prolactin. so many variables without getting bloods you really dont know what is going on in there. hell, to be as dry and grainy as possible i will suffer for a bit no problem at all and if mr happy doesnt want to cooperate then the little blue pill or some cialis works wonders. not really an issue for me because i have always utilized proviron in my preps as well. what i would look at doing would be something like this for you:

test prop (keep in until 2wks out since it's an issue) or run cyp until 3wks out then let it carry over
tren a (keep your protocol in place)
masteron p (go ed with the dosing and raise it up a bit)
proviron 75 minimal daily (at least last 6wks or so)
winn (stay the same)
and if you are hell bent on needing test you could always opt for eq as a test replacement. it mimics almost the same mechs as test does.
aromisin or dex to drive estro down as low as possible> (bloods would be nice and also check prolactin to make sure caber isnt needed)
caber on hand (like i posted above. can cause bf sex issues and a host of other things we dont want)

everyone is 100% different and what works for 99% of people may not work for you haha and what worked the last prep damn sure may not work for the next one. it sucks but we are always evolving and changing from show to show and year to year. it sucks but it's like being brand new going into each and every single run

what ya think?

Test P 100mg eod then drop last 3 weeks
Tren A 100mg eod until last 4weeks then 100mg daily
Mast P 100mg eod until last 4weeks then 200mg daily
Proviron 100mg daily last 10 weeks
Winny 50mg AM and 50mg PM last 8 weeks

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Originally Posted by FREAKSHOW

what ya think?

Test P 100mg eod then drop last 3 weeks
Tren A 100mg eod until last 4weeks then 100mg daily
Mast P 100mg eod until last 4weeks then 200mg daily
Proviron 100mg daily last 10 weeks
Winny 50mg AM and 50mg PM last 8 weeks

i like it man. now if at all possible and if you dont want to get bloods done, add in .5mg of caber mon and thrusday. i am not a just in caser with compounds but since you were having sex drive issues i would bet it is prolactin induced. hell even if it isnt it should make you a sexual t rex for a few weeks any way haha. toss that in at 4wks out and you should be golden. should be more than a nice run and you should be bone dry and nasty grainy as well

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Originally Posted by guns01

i like it man. now if at all possible and if you dont want to get bloods done, add in .5mg of caber mon and thrusday. i am not a just in caser with compounds but since you were having sex drive issues i would bet it is prolactin induced. hell even if it isnt it should make you a sexual t rex for a few weeks any way haha. toss that in at 4wks out and you should be golden. should be more than a nice run and you should be bone dry and nasty grainy as well

ill be sure to add that in. i ran aromisin daily but still had no sex drive, so im hoping caber will fix that.

also, ive ran clen a few times to help get my fat burning started, ive been told albuterol is better/safer. whats your thoughts on that?

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Originally Posted by FREAKSHOW

ill be sure to add that in. i ran aromisin daily but still had no sex drive, so im hoping caber will fix that.

also, ive ran clen a few times to help get my fat burning started, ive been told albuterol is better/safer. whats your thoughts on that?

i have steered clear of clen for a number of years now because the risk isnt really worth the reward to me anymore. i would go with albuterol over the clen yes. i am not a huge fan of clen unless it is from a good company making helios. i have found that with the helios you can keep the dose super low with the same effect as high end dosing with tabs. that and you can spot inject it haha and idk if it is placebo or not but it works very well

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i have steered clear of clen for a number of years now because the risk isnt really worth the reward to me anymore. i would go with albuterol over the clen yes. i am not a huge fan of clen unless it is from a good company making helios. i have found that with the helios you can keep the dose super low with the same effect as high end dosing with tabs. that and you can spot inject it haha and idk if it is placebo or not but it works very well

Im planning to run it like this

Albuterol at 25mg/day split in 5 doses (mine is 5mg in a 30ml bottle) Unless there is a easier way, i wasnt sure if i could do more then 5mg each dose or not. Ketotifen every second week of Albuterol use at 2mg/day or may just use benadryl.

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Originally Posted by FREAKSHOW

Im planning to run it like this

Albuterol at 25mg/day split in 5 doses (mine is 5mg in a 30ml bottle) Unless there is a easier way, i wasnt sure if i could do more then 5mg each dose or not. Ketotifen every second week of Albuterol use at 2mg/day or may just use benadryl.

try 5 and if you can go up to not have to split it up as many times i would. i would try to get worked up to around 10mg if at all possible. as for the keto, set that up at 1mg and that should be plenty. take that about an hour or so before bed because it makes most people very very drowsy.

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if you don't mind can I add something.. you are getting great info from guns he is one of if not the best when it comes to show prep.. if it was me I would be asking guns or irish..

what I would do if I was you also would be to keep a log of what you ran and the dose. so after the show you can see how you did with these numbers.. it is a lot easier to remember what you did when it written down so at your next show you can tweak more things.. I would keep a log if you already don't.. I would not go with oh I will remember...