Tweeti hate to be the bearer of bad news man but if you are over 28 then most likely you running a pct is pretty much just peeing into the wind. you can try it and have bloods done but even with no aas use most men's levels begin to decline after 26-28ish. so by you choosing to hit the supplements up, most likely you wont bounce back. dont hold me to that without proper blood work and a good pct but i am being realist with you here. now with that said, if you do run that proper pct and have bloods and dont bounce back, then during your off time only run the amount of test needed to keep you in optimal range not more. that way you are actually giving your body the break that it needs.

how do you cope with coming off? that's a different battle for everyone. biggest things i have done in the past are: keep diet in check 100% with no deviation whatsoever, train as hard as your body will allow and still recover (that could mean only being able to go 3-4 days per wk for some) and dont chase the damn numbers. dont compare what you are currently doing with what you were doing while on. your not a power lifter so numbers dont matter. chase that pump and the feel and dont worry about everything else. i will harp one more time on optimal hormone levels again. keep the estro in check for the duration of your pct and off period. that will help you out big time

TweetHey guns,

Yea great post! I ran juice when i was 30 (im 33 now) and i recovered fully, It took about six months for me to get my nads back but i was good to go. I honestly dont see why i wouldnt recover i have no health issues at all. Ill run this pct as best as i can but being on HRT for life does scare me a little. When i had my levels checked post cycle at age 31 i was low 300's.

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Originally Posted by hicktown

Hey guns,

Yea great post! I ran juice when i was 30 (im 33 now) and i recovered fully, It took about six months for me to get my nads back but i was good to go. I honestly dont see why i wouldnt recover i have no health issues at all. Ill run this pct as best as i can but being on HRT for life does scare me a little. When i had my levels checked post cycle at age 31 i was low 300's.

you may be able to do it man. like i said everyone is different, some can run multiples and always bounce back and some can run one at 500mg a wk of test only and never recover again. it would be awesome if you could get your levels back up to normal though and if you had success in the past you shouldnt have an issue doing it again. keep that estro in check when you do come off and you should bounce back much faster than 6 months though.

TweetGuns said it best. I tried the on and off with pct for a bit and it sucked. I finally decided that I'm never coming off. Blast and cruise (TRT levels). Once the body goes past the genetic potential, you cant keep your gains when you come off. It makes no sense to me to pay 500.00 for a cycle only to watch it disappear in a few months. Keep in mind I'm 36 so it's getting hard to even do this on cycle. Staying semi on I keep a lot (not all of course) of my gains until I am ready to blast again. As far as feeling good in PCT..... going from superman to clark kent will always suck.

TweetLOL good analogy Tom,

Nah i havent tried hcg because you need to use it on cycle and not off so i waited too long to use it, going forward ill use it for sure.

TweetWhat does your pct usually look like?
The guys are right we are all different. Some of us bounce back easier and faster then others.

My buddy competed for 8 yrs and blasted and cruised mostly blasted lol. He quit cold turkey no pct and has had a kid since and said his libido is stellar. Go figure!

Back to your questions. I feel with a hardcore long pct u should bounce back fine.

Proviron is the only true bridge heavyiron posted some pubmed studies a while back that showed its not suppressive under 100mg. While that's pushing it IMHO I've done 25-50 mg daily and took labs 1 month after I finished with pct. my test nl/dl was 540 not my original 640 but I was still recovering and I was happy with the 540 result!

There is going to be some adjustment bro. It's not going to be seemless. Watch the estro. I would front load with hcg then do the typical clomid/nolva for minimum 6 weeks

The cialis helps but the last pct I did with the nolva/clomid/proviron was hands down best easiest pct I ever did.

TweetOh yea this isnt my first pct so i know what to expect im just dreading it, but if you say proviron then heck im gonna try it, i cant use clomid because it just makes me feel weird and it gave me some vision issues sometime ago.

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Originally Posted by hicktown

Oh yea this isnt my first pct so i know what to expect im just dreading it, but if you say proviron then heck im gonna try it, i cant use clomid because it just makes me feel weird and it gave me some vision issues sometime ago.

proviron will also surpress you man. it is also a dht derived aas and i know you have already posted that you are sensitive. best way to look at it is you are either on or you are off. i have seen people bridge with prov, primo and a number of other compounds. if you are trying to bounce back and recover then hcg proviron or anything else for that matter that surpresses you is not going to help the process out any

TweetYea well i dont want to push the hair issue. I feel pretty good that things will go well, ive never really had a bad experience during pct its always more a visual thing where you dont look as good as before. Thanks for the advice yalls!

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Originally Posted by hicktown

Yea well i dont want to push the hair issue. I feel pretty good that things will go well, ive never really had a bad experience during pct its always more a visual thing where you dont look as good as before. Thanks for the advice yalls!

set the plan up, map it out and follow it my man. you will be successful in the end

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Originally Posted by guns01

proviron will also surpress you man. it is also a dht derived aas and i know you have already posted that you are sensitive. best way to look at it is you are either on or you are off. i have seen people bridge with prov, primo and a number of other compounds. if you are trying to bounce back and recover then hcg proviron or anything else for that matter that surpresses you is not going to help the process out any

Not sure if this link will work if you aren't on that forum. There is a few posts by xyz and heavyiron from pubmed.gov showing proviron is not supressive to hpta according the the info shown. The time I tried it my labs showed my pct went well. It really helped mood and libido stay strong whole pct.

https://ironmagazineforums.com/thread...iron-Off-Cycle

Interesting read !

TweetThanks oldschool, Ill atleast read the articles, but you gotta think every form of AAs out there whether its oil or tablet is going to shut you down no matter what. Im interested in what guns says.

TweetWhenever you get labs back, update this if you don't mind -- I'd love to hear how it's gone for you.

As an FYI, even without any cycling, my test levels were around 550 at age 25, but I was able to make plenty of gains in the gym (recurring theme here is we're all different lol). But I ran a clomid-only protocol and brough it up to over 1,000 (also brought E2 up at about the same ratio, but wasn't high OOR; just higher than it had been). Sucks it gives you sides because it was great to me.

Anyhow, the motivation is definitely the hardest part I think. If you're on HGH that should definitely help. As weird as it is, if you're looking for something to help, we now carry EvoMuse's MyoSynergy Elite and BMP. I highly suggest the first, but the combo is one some people have really been liking. OG MyoSynergy was released over a year ago and I've been on it pretty much indefinitely since then and my muscles are always fuller because of it. I'm actually planning on switching over to Elite as soon as I run out of my OG stock in another 2 months or so and plan to stack it with BMP. Just as an FYI, this is what one guy said today of the stack:

Originally Posted by BigGame84

I've been on the Myo Elite/ BMP stack for about 3 months now and this literally feels like a mild ph cycle without the sides. Muscles look full, vascularity is similar to when I ran a Trest cycle over the summer. VERY impressed and don't plan on taking a break on this stack.

and another I happened to re-read while skimming for the first:

Originally Posted by Lunarisx718

1 month of Myoelite & BMP down. Just began the 2nd bottles of each. One thing that is glaringly obviously is the extra endurance during workouts. It is almost like I CAN"T get tired. Last night I managed a set of 20 rep squats and although the set was hard, it didn't completely destroy me like I thought it would.

...and this one too lol:

Originally Posted by GiftedNatty

Interesting(to me atleast) that on MyoE/BMP my erection is noticiblely bigger and sex drive is insane. Also my endurance and recovery is through the roof.

Anyway, not sitting here trying to pedal stuff at you; just wanted to offer it up as a suggestion since some compare it to the feeling of a mild PH cycle when it comes to the muscle fullness and vascularity (in addition to the libido enhancement).

Best of luck, brother!