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Originally Posted by hicktown

Thanks oldschool, Ill atleast read the articles, but you gotta think every form of AAs out there whether its oil or tablet is going to shut you down no matter what. Im interested in what guns says.

With primo and var I agree and studies show its supressive. To take enough of them to "help" at all is enough to shut down hpta so counter productive.

I get your train of though I do. Just passing on my experience with it.

I don't pct anymore. Had all the kids I want.

Clomid works amazing for me. Doesn't make me cry lol.

Best of luck to you!

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Originally Posted by Oldschooliron69

Not sure if this link will work if you aren't on that forum. There is a few posts by xyz and heavyiron from pubmed.gov showing proviron is not supressive to hpta according the the info shown. The time I tried it my labs showed my pct went well. It really helped mood and libido stay strong whole pct.

https://ironmagazineforums.com/thread...iron-Off-Cycle

Interesting read !

good read and info. i dont whole completely agree with it because proviron even at a low dose is still anabolic and you are still taking something. that being said, my whole point behind what i am saying is, if you are coming off to bounce back and clean out, then come off, dont take any aas whatsoever and allow your body to recoup and recover. but again on the other hand i may take 25mg and may not experience the same results as you do. good info though for real but i am still going to lean toward coming off completely if that is the path you are venturing onto. i dont do that myself but to each their own

Tweetoldschool, i can tell you that i did learn something today though and i went and did just a little more digging and pulled this from the anaboic ref guide:


Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression):
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Mesterolone has a very weak suppressive effect o~ gonadotropins and serum testosterone. Studies show that when given in moderate doses (150 mg per day or less),

significant suppression of testosterone levels does not occur/12 In studies with higher doses (300 mg per day and above), the agent strongly suppressed serum testosterone/13
The above side effects are not inclusive. For more detailed discussion ofpotential side effects, see the AAS Side Effects section ofthis book.
Administration (Men):
To treat androgen insufficiency, mesterolone is usually given in a dose of 1 tablet (25 mg) three times per day at the initiation of therapy. The drug is later continued at a lower maintenance dose, which usually consists of taking 1 tablet (25 mg) one to two times per day. Similar doses are used to support male fertility, usually in conjunction with other fertility drugs like injectable FSH. The usual dosage among male athletes is between 50 mg and 150 mg of mesterolone per day, or two to six 25 mg tablets. The drug is typically taken in cycles of 6-12 weeks in length, which is usually a sufficient period of time to notice the benefits of drug therapy.

even though it is mildly surpressive it is still surpressive. but hey one could use it in a bridge like you suggest at around 25mg and still be only super mildly surpressed. i wouldnt do that myself but as pointed out you could do so

TweetI hear your pain man. I'm 29 and the last one I came off it took me a good 3 months before I was feeling back to normal on all fronts. Like everyone said, keep you diet and training in check and just do your best to maintain. I'm considering TRT at this point bc pct didn't seem to do anything. Best of luck boss!

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Originally Posted by slamshaft

I hear your pain man. I'm 29 and the last one I came off it took me a good 3 months before I was feeling back to normal on all fronts. Like everyone said, keep you diet and training in check and just do your best to maintain. I'm considering TRT at this point bc pct didn't seem to do anything. Best of luck boss!

What did u do for pct? Research Chems or ugl/pharm grade meds?
How long? Did u get labs 1 month after u finished pct to see where u are at?

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Originally Posted by guns01

oldschool, i can tell you that i did learn something today though and i went and did just a little more digging and pulled this from the anaboic ref guide:


Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression):
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Mesterolone has a very weak suppressive effect o~ gonadotropins and serum testosterone. Studies show that when given in moderate doses (150 mg per day or less),

significant suppression of testosterone levels does not occur/12 In studies with higher doses (300 mg per day and above), the agent strongly suppressed serum testosterone/13
The above side effects are not inclusive. For more detailed discussion ofpotential side effects, see the AAS Side Effects section ofthis book.
Administration (Men):
To treat androgen insufficiency, mesterolone is usually given in a dose of 1 tablet (25 mg) three times per day at the initiation of therapy. The drug is later continued at a lower maintenance dose, which usually consists of taking 1 tablet (25 mg) one to two times per day. Similar doses are used to support male fertility, usually in conjunction with other fertility drugs like injectable FSH. The usual dosage among male athletes is between 50 mg and 150 mg of mesterolone per day, or two to six 25 mg tablets. The drug is typically taken in cycles of 6-12 weeks in length, which is usually a sufficient period of time to notice the benefits of drug therapy.

even though it is mildly surpressive it is still surpressive. but hey one could use it in a bridge like you suggest at around 25mg and still be only super mildly surpressed. i wouldnt do that myself but as pointed out you could do so

Good info! Thank you for that.