TweetWatched it, I love his videos! Is he using the normal amount of HCG?

I think its great he preaches coming off and is very atiment about it.

TweetI don't believe him...I'm too close to guys in his conditions and no way they come off. At his age why come off...hrt maybe but seriously...open to what people think


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TweetI'm just not a fan of his. I don't believe he takes his own advice. Rarely I'll see a video of his and think he gave some ok advice, but for the most part I find myself just shaking my head at most of the things he says.

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Originally Posted by 6p6

I don't believe him...I'm too close to guys in his conditions and no way they come off. At his age why come off...hrt maybe but seriously...open to what people think


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ok, i am going to start by saying i hate his guts and think he is absolutely full of shit across the board so i am extremely biased in my opinion on anything and everything this jerk off says.

i agree that people should come off completely in their early years of the game. this is especially true until you hit 28-30s but maybe even older with blood work and your ability to bounce back. equal time off is a good rule of thumb.

ok so what is the point of using hcg and using it in this manner? hcg increases most people's bp and surpresses you just like test does, so why bother even using it while off unless you are trying to concieve? that is strike one. strike 2- no mention of any other proper or other pct protocols at all, like clomid tamox and or estrogen control. strike 3 he mentions nothing about blood work or checking any levels at any point during before coming off or while off. their are much better more effective ways of coming off cycle than what this dumb ass is saying. hell your general pract doc can give you better advice than this idiot.

lets also consider hrt and it's applications to those who dont bounce back anymore. notice i said hrt and not cruising levels big difference on this. hrt is to bring you back to your normal ranges which for most people would be a dose of 100-200mg of test per week ie normal range. cruising for most people usually is a smidge higher and most of the time is above normal range. so by going down to that normal range of test you are essentially going off so to speak and allowing your body to recover. this doesnt and shouldnt apply to those guys that can still bounce back after their runs though.

moral of the story here is listen to those that dont lie and make shit up. have blood work done post cycle to see where you are and if your pct is actually working. try different methods and protocols of those that came before you and see what works best and fits you appropriately through actual blood work. just slamming down hcg is pretty much no different inside your body than running low dose test in the long run due to still surpressing your natural levels. not to mention can still have an impact on your blood pressure

Tweet^i knew I'd get you fired up!

I agree 100%!

My hrt is a low cruise. I don't bounce back and don't feel I have too. My Health is better now than in my 20s bouncing back and forth.

The problem is always these guys who play the hard core game, especially guys who compete just lie. The lie is so ingrained in them they can't even tell people they love and trust the truth. The only way some of my friends in high levels of ifbb give good advise is when there being paid huge $ to do so. Some of my friends make $3k plus a client per month and they've got a huge file of clients.




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Originally Posted by 6p6

^i knew I'd get you fired up!

I agree 100%!

My hrt is a low cruise. I don't bounce back and don't feel I have too. My Health is better now than in my 20s bouncing back and forth.

The problem is always these guys who play the hard core game, especially guys who compete just lie. The lie is so ingrained in them they can't even tell people they love and trust the truth. The only way some of my friends in high levels of ifbb give good advise is when there being paid huge $ to do so. Some of my friends make $3k plus a client per month and they've got a huge file of clients.




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that's my whole point with rich and hating his guts. dont put it out there if it is bs. people pay top dollar for this type of information and no one gives it out for free so dont make up some crap and put it out there. he truly is a clown and i will put a vegas bet on if you go back through a few of his videos he will have contradicted what is in this one with either him saying that hcg is garbage or worthless or that you should never come off. one or the other or both but i can bet you he has said the opposite in the past

TweetI agree with guns I had a long ass post and I accidentally hit the wrong button so Im not going to re write it.He does contradict himself and going off for someone say like myself who is on for years and years my coming off would be 400mg a test a week for 12 weeks that's my hrt I like rich but in this video he is fuk'd in this one.For the people who should cycle properly please do it. time on time off proper pct.

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TweetHi all,
I take a hrt dose of 200 mg a week of test for 10 to 12 weeks between cycles. I'm 40 years old and my natural test levels are a little low (300 ish). Question: Is my 200 mg a week considered "off" time or not? I was thinking this is my cruise dose so I don't need to do PCT after every cycle. Should I load up on HCG or just continue my cruise dose? I'm just afraid if I go off all hrt completely my test levels will drop way below normal, HCG or not.....

TweetThey will and in my mind as long as your healthy you seem to have a good program going.


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TweetMy euro logistics told me take 50mg of clomid 3x a week when on

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Originally Posted by mfdvr

Hi all,
I take a hrt dose of 200 mg a week of test for 10 to 12 weeks between cycles. I'm 40 years old and my natural test levels are a little low (300 ish). Question: Is my 200 mg a week considered "off" time or not? I was thinking this is my cruise dose so I don't need to do PCT after every cycle. Should I load up on HCG or just continue my cruise dose? I'm just afraid if I go off all hrt completely my test levels will drop way below normal, HCG or not.....

man, hcg is worthless for bringing natural test levels back because it surpresses your natural production just like external test does. so basically using hcg in pct is slowing down your recovery rate even more. now as for your hrt dose that would be hard to say without base line testing and seeing how your body responds. 200 isnt high for hrt/cruising for a 40 year old that cycles imo but the norm for most guys is in the range of 1-200mg per week for normal test levels. no hcg man and if you want the most accurate dose for hrt/cruising do bloods with 100-150-200 and see what puts you in the optimal range. stay away from hcg unless you are trying to concieve

TweetI think to Rich, being "off" is going from 5 grams to 1 gram of total juice lol. Poor ole richy rich I think he needs to go to a psychiatric doctor instead of a juice doc lol. I do very much agree with taking time completely off everything unless you are plan on and have the potential to compete at a high level Other wise its not worth the risks that could come with constantly staying in high doses.

Seriously tho, I believe in either using hcg periodically during a cycle or near the end, the last few weeks use some hcg to jump start the boys back. I don't believe that using it during or after pct is a good idea since it suppresses your natural test.

I at least the last two weeks before my last inject use 1000iu of hcg a week divide in 2 shots. Then use nolva and clomid both for pct, along with a natty test booster. Thats just what I do and it works for me.