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Originally Posted by Mattnc98

Mountain man helped me out it together. Bp is good tren don't hurt my bp to much but eq Jesus its kills me. I'm 276 6.2 13-15%bf

brother i would never call anyone out on having fake stuff by any means but i would question the legitamcy of the mgs in your product or redo the math on what you are actually using. i am going to do you a little break down on a couple of your compounds and how harsh they are on your bp and rbc that can and will kill you with a quickness esp combining them together:

eq: mild and not toxic however this one thrives off of increasing red blood cell count. it drives it up pretty slowly but once peaked it will get high
drol: super strong very toxic both on liver and kidneys: another that puts your rbc through the roof in a short period of time man. i will not use oral drol today because of how harsh it is since i am older now
tren(any ester) super toxic to both liver and kidneys: another that does dry you out androgenic therefore creates more rbc. this one also does a good amount of work on your liver even though it is an injectable. mild doses on this compound do also still raise bp and create liver and kidney toxicity
test: not as dramatic on the toxicity but combined with other compounds it can also increase problems due to its small amount of rbc increase. test also elevates your rbc and a number of other markers in our bodies
m1t: i have already said my piece about how rough this stuff is. i am an active competitor and i wont even use this stuff myself because the risk out weighs the benefits.

now you say your bp is good. i would get it checked frequently because just because you cant feel it or tell doesnt mean it isnt crazy high. i personally can feel when mine starts to go up and i get nose bleeds when it gets real high. so i know my body pretty good and when to duck out and go see the doc. also you absolutely need to have frequent blood work doing these crazy setups. holy crap i push the envelope on my preps but that is even more than i do and i been doing it for over 15 years.

again man, not flaming or busting on you but if you are actually running that amount, you should have some very very noticable nasty side effects going on, from head aches nose bleeds and just feeling like complete butt hole. something isnt right here

TweetYes. I just texted him . that's why it's hard to post up real cycle. People dis you BC truth is not many understand . im going to compete I. Power lifting soon. Etc. But the ones who dis sometimes they wonder why I'm where I'm at and they are stuck falling back to same size after cycles. I eat 400-500 grams of protein 400 carbs low fat. All long carbs etc. I get bloods and liver toxins. I take organ shield and saw palm etc. I got elevated once but just barley above normal. I also detox mid cycle. For two days and clense those drug test drinks they are handy BC certain ones total clear ur receptors and two days later its like u just started again. And it helps protect your organs

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Originally Posted by Mattnc98

No sir when u get bigger we all know it takes more gear. I cruise and blast. Mountain man knows me personally and has seen pics. It's not put on lol. I wouldn't be no Olympian lol I'm 276 if I was to cut I'd be around 240 on stage etc.I will never get on stage. I'm just a ole college middle line backer jock that loves to lift. Tren don't hurt my bp to bad it does go up but not like on eq for me.

i do know him matt i no joke hardcore monster

TweetI don't want to walk over this man's thread. But tren is said toxic but every liver toxcity test I've seen done barely elevates above normal. Now superdrol elevated me and M1T is similar will do same. But if u take right stuff drink alot of water eat clean your good. And gear is good. I've gained 14 lbs in 4 weeks for a reason and not fat weight. Books are good but just as my college professor said books knowledge will never trump field knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Mattnc98

Yes. I just texted him . that's why it's hard to post up real cycle. People dis you BC truth is not many understand . im going to compete I. Power lifting soon. Etc. But the ones who dis sometimes they wonder why I'm where I'm at and they are stuck falling back to same size after cycles. I eat 400-500 grams of protein 400 carbs low fat. All long carbs etc. I get bloods and liver toxins. I take organ shield and saw palm etc. I got elevated once but just barley above normal. I also detox mid cycle. For two days and clense those drug test drinks they are handy BC certain ones total clear ur receptors and two days later its like u just started again. And it helps protect your organs

i will just toss this one out there. i am 5ft 10 and i am in the 270s myself and have creeped above 300 a time or 2 with abs still showing so i rarely creep above 10-12% in the offseason. i step on stage in the 240s myself and been doing this for a minute. i dont even come close to those amounts total during the offseason or prep. just an hypothetical example of when healthy something would look like this for me(hypothetically of course)
2g sust wk
600mg tren e wk
300mg npp wk
that would go for 10wks tops depending on numbers and bp. and i eat to grow while staying lean and control bp

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Originally Posted by Mattnc98

I don't want to walk over this man's thread. But tren is said toxic but every liver toxcity test I've seen done barely elevates above normal. Now superdrol elevated me and M1T is similar will do same. But if u take right stuff drink alot of water eat clean your good. And gear is good. I've gained 14 lbs in 4 weeks for a reason and not fat weight. Books are good but just as my college professor said books knowledge will never trump field knowledge.

my good man, i will be the first to tell you that the books are 99% garbage. what i have posted in this thread about all the compounds involved are either from personal experience or from working with numerous other athletes. i realize that everyone makes their own choices and follows whomever is coaching them. i am not going to sit back though and not call something crazy that is actually crazy. that stack is full of toxicity across the board. big indicators here for me would be if you do get issues or sides how you going to figure out which one it is? is it the m1t? is it the tren of some sort? is it the drol? who knows because essentially they all do the same thing and have the same side effects. one piece of advice i got from an old timer back in the day that stuck with me was this: this sport is a marathon and not a sprint. he then named off a bunch of young up and coming dudes that either vanished or never made it. he posed the question to me: why do you think that is? idk, because they pushed the edge to fast and to hard and either jacked up their bodies or their was nowhere left to progress. that always stuck with me and made perfect sense.

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TweetIt is a marathon. I totally agree. Guns. Just as you get bigger it takes more. And yes deca tren a big no no. Toxcity that's why I get bloods alot. But them two together are magic

TweetAnd I've ran each of these compounds with just test in past only one I didn't was m1t

TweetM1T is good. And I'm not getting alot of bloat. The mast helps with that of course

TweetThere are those few who can take tiny amounts and just.blow up that is gentics lol I don't have it like that lol I wish.

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Originally Posted by Mattnc98

It is a marathon. I totally agree. Guns. Just as you get bigger it takes more. And yes deca tren a big no no. Toxcity that's why I get bloods alot. But them two together are magic

no deca and tren arent necessarily a big no no and as long as you dont have an issue with prolactin then you could run them together all day long. the tren is toxic yes but the deca doesnt compound or make it even more toxic. if you take a look at the safety of compounds, deca and eq are up there as some of the safest that are out there. so that is an incorrect statement unless you have prolactin control issues.
m1t, drol dbol dont cause prolcactin issues 19nors do.

i also completely disagree with you entirely on you needing to use more as you get bigger. that is also wrong. you would have a better argument with your body needling more as you get more experience due to it adapting but size really has zero to do with that. their are a few massive members here that are power lifters that barely use anything at all, which is a prime example and i know a couple dudes locally that are massive that are the same way.

you are getting bloods done on a regular basis so that is a good positive thing you have got going on but i will tell you that you can do much more with much much less. that is with even less chance of harm to yourself in the long term. hell i would rather see someone hammering the piss out of a high test and tren cycle solo without adding all the other stuff in. if you cant grow off that approach you are in the wrong business haha