Tweetfor one if you are trying to get rid of all your water for a show then the test esp a test that has multiple esters needs to come out entirely. if you feel you absolutely need to have test in (which you dont for a show) then go with tne or suspension. that for one will get you started on drying out and if you cant hold strength and muscle with a high dose of tren you are screwed regardless. now as far as orals you have a choice of go then win is going to treat you far better than the tbol is imho. even though most dont retain water with tbol, do you really want to chance it? you are much better off with the benefits of win as opposed to tbol for a show run. that of course is my personal opinion and from my own experience with most people

TweetI think guns got you covered. You could run just enough test to keep your umm junk working right if you need to. just like 100mg, that wouldnt be too bad for bloating would it guns? I think MM said before he was on tren and mast to, with winny he should be real dry, with just a little tiny test?

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Originally Posted by animal87

I think guns got you covered. You could run just enough test to keep your umm junk working right if you need to. just like 100mg, that wouldnt be too bad for bloating would it guns? I think MM said before he was on tren and mast to, with winny he should be real dry, with just a little tiny test?

if it were show prep ready dry i say absolutely no test whatsoever. beach ready you can keep the test in cause a little film of water isnt going to really make a difference lol. with tren mast and winny you should be able to nail bone dry conditioning no problem as long as bf is in the correct range. as for boner issues, that's what they make viag and cialis for lol. trust me the wks at and when test comes out the last thing on your mind is getting some

TweetThat why your the man guns. I learn something new everyday.

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Originally Posted by animal87

That why your the man guns. I learn something new everyday.

dont give me to much credit, i just learned that about 4-5 years back. i was fighting pulling water off and figured out how to do so then learned about getting rid of the test and it making it easier and better in the long run for drying. now i am sold and just passing it along

TweetJust out of curiosity. Is that why alot of the old school guys like in Arnold's day didnt run much test or bc of gyno or what? I've looked at their supposed cycles and they hardly ever took test back then.

Sorry i hijacked your thread MM

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Originally Posted by animal87

Just out of curiosity. Is that why alot of the old school guys like in Arnold's day didnt run much test or bc of gyno or what? I've looked at their supposed cycles and they hardly ever took test back then.

Sorry i hijacked your thread MM

nah not really. they didnt have the science nor the numerous amount of products that we have today. those guys got a lot done with very little which is pretty cool but then again they for the most part didnt really achieve the level of conditioning or have an idea of balance and controlling all the hormones necessary to reach that level.

Tweettest/mast/tren. 300mg eod............and 100mg liquid winny ed for contest prep works gets me dry AF

TweetI'm running winny and tbol for my last 6 weeks just over two left and am dry still with both

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TweetSo I'm told I suck at judging anything from drug quality to bf let alone water ahhahahaha

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Originally Posted by wutlisstrice

test/mast/tren. 300mg eod............and 100mg liquid winny ed for contest prep works gets me dry AF

i know you been in the game forever trice but drop that test the last 3-6wks and replace it with equal tren and mast and watch the magic happen. trust me, i am a firm believer once i did it